tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7488245879483190185.post2582179351393009675..comments2024-03-29T03:18:22.880-07:00Comments on Shrikant G Talageri: The Primarily Dravidian, and Pan-Indian, Nature of Hinduism.Shrikant Talagerihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15700049337974422213noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7488245879483190185.post-56897112017592614312022-07-31T03:51:44.792-07:002022-07-31T03:51:44.792-07:00I've seen so much Brahmin bashing that I somet...I've seen so much Brahmin bashing that I sometimes wonder whether we are the good guys or the bad ones OR whether its really worth preserving/practicing the cultures/customs.<br />I would really, really appreciate your insights regarding this topic. I can't stress this enough!Anonymous https://www.blogger.com/profile/02957013804320279978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7488245879483190185.post-6110254996643814452022-07-31T03:40:38.139-07:002022-07-31T03:40:38.139-07:00https://www.quora.com/How-true-is-the-statement-th...https://www.quora.com/How-true-is-the-statement-that-Buddhism-and-Hinduism-are-so-close-that-Buddhism-can-be-considered-another-sect-of-Hinduism/answer/Dimitris-Almyrantis?ch=10&oid=372646165&share=19673666&srid=uKE2d&target_type=answer<br />Sir, this is an alternate view of Hinduism, in fact it is a very common one, these is how the academia sees Hinduism.<br />Ignoring AMT aspects of the answer, what do you think of the other assumptions made upon Hinduism especially Brahminsim, such as "Brahmins treated those did not accept their supremacy as unclean barbarians" etc<br />What I want to know is, Is Brahmanical Patriarchy real? Can you give out examples of Brahmins respecting other cultures as valid ones?<br />These things might seem silly to you but I'll be extremely thankful to you if you give counterpoints to the arguments presented in the answer <br />Thank youAnonymous https://www.blogger.com/profile/02957013804320279978noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7488245879483190185.post-67416469229640441012022-05-29T16:05:16.683-07:002022-05-29T16:05:16.683-07:00I am sorry to say this, but I really have no need ...I am sorry to say this, but I really have no need to "address" nonsensical ideas thought up by people totally ignorant of the facts and thinking up frankly silly objections sitting in comfortable armchairs. You seem to think people should stop doing research in any subject because "further discoveries can [always] alter our understanding of things": present facts being irrelevant!<br /><br />We cannot base our analysis on late Puranic stories, but on the Rigvedic data. The word "dravida" does not appear in any Vedic text, and such ajjikathas, as we call them in Kannada, cannot be a part of serious studies.<br /><br />If you think "division of language into families is not objective" and "the entire linguistic division collapses" if we push back dates of anything, you are pathetically totally ignorant of linguistics.<br /><br />I am sorry but there is only one Rigveda, which has been kept alive orally for thousands of years in exactly the same identical form from Kashmir to Kanyakumari and Gujarat to Orissa, until the western scholars reduced it down to writing after deep studies. Hymns like the "khila suktas" etc which are claimed to be part of a "Bashkala Samhita" are clearly totally post-Vedic creations containing new words totally unknown to the Rigveda. This folk-tale practice of there being so many different Rigvedas of which only one has survived is a later myth. I have heard Muslim scholars who claim there was also a "Rigveda" (suppressed by brahmins) which predicted the coming of Mohammad! Such ideas are all right for armchair gossip sessions, not for serious discussions. <br /><br />Shrikant Talagerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15700049337974422213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7488245879483190185.post-69770538439691201072022-05-29T13:22:04.328-07:002022-05-29T13:22:04.328-07:00I believe all this is theory with someprobable sor...I believe all this is theory with someprobable sort of evidence at this point. Any way I have a few questions:<br />1) Three puranas, namely the Bhagvata, Matsya and agni purana places Vaiswaswata manu as Being originally from a region called Dravida(interpreted as south India or Tamil Nadu) and it is also said that the Matsya avatara happened in the river Kritamala(today vagai) in the same texts. He is the ancestor of both Aila and Ikshwaku. Why hasn't this been addressed?<br />2) There are many lost portions of the Rig veda samhita itself. What remains is Shakala Samhita. Claims have been made that Bhaskala and ashvalyayana are found but this cannot be ascertained. If we observe trends of samhita in other veda shakas of Yajurved for example, different shakhas often have different samhita portions. Patanjali remarks that there were 21 shakhas of the Rig veda, which means originally there was supposed to be 21 Rig veda samhitas. Their contents could differ and represent something different from the extant samhita portion. These portions could have different sounds, for example Jaminiya samhita has the sounf "zh" which is unique to Tamizh today. There could be other sounds as well as other words.Why hasn't this been addressed?<br />3) Division of language into families is not objective and is based on certain assumptions. The current assumption is sanskrit CANNOT be older than 2000BCE. These is a primary basis for the linguistic division. If we push this back by even thousand years, the entire linguistic division collapses. The linguistic model is a mathematical one and does not represemt any historic reality. This is a statement made by linguists themselves.Why hasn't this been addressed?<br /><br />I believe that we are actually working with very limited evidence and further discoveries can radically alter out understanding of things.I'm an ordinary guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07899855051267173673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7488245879483190185.post-57046925174929907222022-05-29T13:17:44.291-07:002022-05-29T13:17:44.291-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.I'm an ordinary guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07899855051267173673noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7488245879483190185.post-91073555965596020652021-08-05T02:29:28.937-07:002021-08-05T02:29:28.937-07:00thanks for the informative article keep up the gud...thanks for the informative article keep up the gud work <a href="https://www.tezindustries.co.in/stainless-steel-urinal.php" rel="nofollow">Stainless Steel Wash Basin manufactures in Mumbai, STAINLESS STEEL GENTS URINAL manufactures in Bangalore</a> <a href="https://www.tezindustries.co.in/" rel="nofollow">Tez Industries</a>sksethi.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11931378165366063648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7488245879483190185.post-86209682093437281152020-10-21T14:13:48.073-07:002020-10-21T14:13:48.073-07:00I have read somewhere that Krishna is some kind of...I have read somewhere that Krishna is some kind of heroic pastoral god worshipped by yadu tribe is Rama also a heroic diety worshipped by ikshvakus?shreyanshp711@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06265504498006171402noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7488245879483190185.post-27314848490488992752020-04-18T23:53:47.124-07:002020-04-18T23:53:47.124-07:00Its heartening to learn from you the pan-Indian na...Its heartening to learn from you the pan-Indian nature of Hinduism. You have attributed certain features of Hinduism to (earlier) religions of Yadus, Ikshavakus, Austric and Dravidians; Do you have solid evidences for these claims (similar to your OIT evidences) which can be used in debates? Secondly, can you please throw some light on the transition of worship (with evidence) from Vedic gods to present day gods?Shrikant Varkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13586276473905571604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7488245879483190185.post-64649080722809620072019-10-07T22:04:33.559-07:002019-10-07T22:04:33.559-07:00The point I am making is that Hinduism contains el...The point I am making is that Hinduism contains elements from the whole of India, in which the limited Rigvedic-Avestan-Druid religion is just one component.<br />And none of these components are "later" ones simply because they appear "later" in the Sanskrit literature. Jainism has a tradition that there were 23 tirthankaras before Mahavira, Panini has a tradition of countless grammarians before him. America did not suddenly materialize out of thin air only after Europeans discovered it and it started appearing in their literature four centuries ago: it was always there. The non-Vedic features of Hinduism are also not later to or derived from (or deviations from) Vedic religion: they always existed in other non-Vedic parts of India. Shrikant Talagerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15700049337974422213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7488245879483190185.post-68134115155461445612019-10-07T20:53:27.580-07:002019-10-07T20:53:27.580-07:00Frustrated at having lost the first five elaborate...Frustrated at having lost the first five elaborately written questions in erroneous copy-paste. Trying to recall few. Please share your view on following points:<br /><br />2. What is connection of Yaksha with Indians. There is a river Jaxartes in Kajakhistan claerly anmed after Yaksha as Yaksha Arta. Indian recall them as mysetrious free spirted 'beings' ina very alien way. Why? What's the connection?<br /><br />3. Connection of idol worship with anthropomorphs? Varah anthrropmorph is a strong indicator.<br /> <br />4. Stupa and a similar continuing practice in eastern UP-Bihar of making small mound with like structures with circumambulation to calm soul of deceased ancestor; with evolution towards chaitya houses and later temples there is an oraganic evolution thru integration of OCP's (Ikshavaku?) ancestoral devotion and anthropomorphs of devaah and Harappans (Paurava?) Yagya.<br /><br />5. Arti seems liek a continuation of (Harappan/Paurava) fire centrality in connecting with the divine<br /><br />6. Saffron can be seen in the Ochre of OCP who are also asscoiated with copper anthropomorphs. I must add that I vaguely recall stone anthropmorphs in far south as well but in later times, so idols could have been transmitted from OCP (Ikshavaku Areas?) to far south.NH95https://www.blogger.com/profile/02451217189556979325noreply@blogger.com