Wednesday, 17 December 2025

Koenraad Elst: I Challenge You To Either Prove Your Words or To Eat Them Rather Than Playing Politics and Verbal Games

 

Koenraad Elst: I Challenge You To Either Prove Your Words or To Eat Them Rather Than Playing Politics and Verbal Games

Shrikant G. Talageri

 

Someone just sent me a very interesting tweet just put up by Koenraad Elst. Apparently, someone put up a tweet saying he did not take Jijith seriously. And Koenraad replied:

https://x.com/ElstKoenraad/status/2001266760063033765

Those are only Jijith's Twitter posts. To take his true measure, read his books. His historical assessments of scripture are revolutionary, & totally unrefuted. For the 1st time ever, the Vedas & Epics make sense against the background of *reality*.

5:52 PM · Dec 17 2025

 

Really? His books are “revolutionary and totally unrefuted”, and “For the 1st time ever, the Vedas & Epics make sense against the background of *reality*.”?

Thank you for coming out in the open. At least you have taken one step towards speaking the truth (about your agenda), and also making very clear your (till now closeted) low opinion about the amount of “sense” that my own analysis of the Vedasmakes”. And also making clear your equally low opinion about my point-by-point factual and data-based criticism (in my review) of his extremely fictitious story-bookRivers of Ṛgveda”!

But opinions have zero value without data-based arguments and evidence. Isn’t that the principled stand you always pretend to take in your twitter squabbles with your critics and with trolls? Why don’t you move one step ahead on the march towards openness and honesty and actually give your detailed point-by-point reply to the criticism of his book in my review of his book below, instead of playing politics and stonewalling the refutation, all the while pretending and even proclaiming that his books are “revolutionary and totally unrefuted”? Or at least admit (point-by-point) that you accept all his fictitious creations, starting with the five Sarayu rivers and the two mutually inimical Bharata tribes who are both the heroes of different hymns in the Rigveda?

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/03/a-review-of-rivers-of-rgveda-by-jijith.html

 

For many months you and Jijith were carrying on a grand and relentless disinformation campaign about my analysis of the Rigveda (Manu in Ayodhya, Divodāsa and Sudās in Kashi, etc. etc.) which remained unchecked even after I repeatedly clarified the points in public (and before that in discussion threads on the now closed-down Indic discussion group), until I had to remove my kid-gloves, abandon discretion and politeness, and openly call out your lies. I thought you had stopped your attacks, but this above tweet shows that you were only biding your time.  I do not wish to again indulge in mutual mudslinging.

Please keep the discussion (if you dare to have it) restricted to the data, and give your point-by-point data-based replies to every point of criticism of his first book that I have made in my above review. I address this to you, Koenraad, and wish to have nothing to do with Jijith himself (I cannot function at that level of inanity). Don’t shoot from his shoulders.

In any case, I have no genuine expectations of objective scholarship or honesty from you now, after your continuous display of being on the same level as Jijith. So I do not really expect you to behave like a scholar instead of like a person with an agenda. 


Tuesday, 16 December 2025

Any Logic in Treating These References to River Names as Establishing Some Kind of Historical Chronology?

 


Any Logic in Treating These References to River Names as Establishing Some Kind of Historical Chronology?

 Shrikant G. Talageri 


Koenraad Elst (who treats every utterance of certain Scientists as Historical Revelations as long as the utterances abound in Puranic names) has apparently reposted the following tweet:

https://x.com/Jijith_NR/status/2000962019487588468

Rivers remember rulers, long after kings are forgotten. In early Indian memory, rivers are not passive geography. They are political statements encoded in poetry. When Gaṅgā is called Jāhnavī, it is not a mythological accident. It records Kuśika dominance over the Gaṅgā basin: Jahnu > Jāhnavī - a name anchored to the lineage of Viśvāmitra, the Kuśika seer-warrior of the Early Ṛgveda. The same political language repeats later: • Bhagīratha > Bhāgīrathī: - Ikṣvāku control of Gaṅgā • Gaṅgā as wife of Śantanu: - Kuru sovereignty over the Gaṅgā heartland. Each renaming marks who commanded the river corridor at that time. Poetry preserved what inscriptions did not. This places Viśvāmitra’s Kuśika phase earliest, before Ikṣvāku and long before the Kurus. Early Ṛgveda (3rd Maṇḍala) supports this sequence. Viśvāmitra appears as the military-political adviser of Sudās, whose territory lay between Yamunā and Sutlej. East of him lay Kikata, not yet Pañcāla land. Viśvāmitra’s campaign pushed Kuśika influence toward the Gaṅgā, remembered as Jāhnavī. Only much later does Gaṅgā become the Kuru river. #Vedic #history”.

9:41 PM · Dec 16, 2025

 

I have no doubt that “Rivers remember rulers, long after kings are forgotten. In early Indian memory, rivers are not passive geography. They are political statements encoded in poetry”. But what exactly does the rest of the tweet show in this respect? I am a bit confused.

Does this mean that Jāhnavī (urf Jahnāvī) is the oldest name of the Gaṅgā river? That it is named Jahnāvī on the basis of an ancestral (to Viśvāmitra) person named Jahnu? That it acquired this name after the period of Sudās, when “Viśvāmitra’s campaign pushed Kuśika influence toward the Gaṅgā, remembered as Jāhnavī? And that the river came to be known as Gaṅgā in much later (Kuru) times on the basis of Śantanu acquiring control of the area?

The fact is that both the names, Gaṅgā and Jahnāvī, are old names of the river (perhaps for different parts of the river) and, for what it matters, the name Gaṅgā is the older one at least in record since it is already mentioned as an old name of a traditionally known river (with the bushes on its banks already a subject of idiomatic imagery) in the Oldest Book 6, long before Viśvāmitra of Book 3, and definitely very long before Śantanu of the latest Book 10 (and the period of the Kurus). And Jāhnavī is already mentioned by Viśvāmitra in Book 3 as an existing name of the river associated with the east (i.e. as symbolically the direction whence the Aśvins accompany the rising Sun, or Uṣas the Goddess of the Dawn, as her charioteers).

Whether Jahnu is the actual name of a king who ruled the area (and was an ancestor of Viśvāmitra) is again uncertain: his name appears only in later literature, and the people of the area are already referred to as Jāhnavas in post-Rigvedic Vedic texts (indicating their residence in the area of that river rather than as the name of an ancestral king whose name was given to the river) long before the name of any such king appears in the records. Clearly, the name of the river predates (at least as a matter of record) the name of any king of that name. That he was an ancestor of Viśvāmitra is again a matter of Epic-Puranic myths as part of the lore about Viśvāmitra originally being a king who was in conflict with the rishi Vasiṣṭha, which again has no basis in any Vedic reference.

 

I specially mention this because the name of the river precedes the related name of any dynasty or king, and any association of the origin of the name of this river as being derived from the name of this “king” is part of Puranic lore rather than of Vedic record. And because I have already made this point before in reply to Witzel’s notorious ”review”, in 2001, of my book published in the year 2000.

I will quote the relevant portion from my reply to his review, in which he accused me of having a “Purāṇic mindset” and an “Amar Chitrakatha” type of view of Vedic history, and I pointed out that it was in fact his own interpretation which reeked of a “Purāṇic mindset” and an “Amar Chitrakatha” type of view of Vedic history:

III.1.a) Jahnāvī  and the dolphin:

Witzel sharply rejects my identification of RV jahnāvī  as the Gangā , and in the process, of the śiṁśumāra as the Gangetic dolphin, and devotes a whole section (§4) as well as numerous other references (particularly in §5) to the subject. These two words (jahnāvī  and śiṁśumāra) provide the context for repeated references to my “purāṇic preconceptions” “lack of grammatical and linguistic expertise”, and all the numerous references to my ignorance on “zoological” matters.

To begin with, he rejects (§4) on “linguistic” grounds my “claim that RV jahnāvī  > post RV jāhnavī.” According to him, “the meaning of that word can .... be explained along simple linguistic and grammatical lines as follows: female derivatives of masculine names often have vddhi in the second last syllable ... That is all there is to it.”

But who has disputed the fact that RV jahnāvī is a “female derivative” of a masculine name, and how does this negate, on linguistic grounds, its connection with post-RV jāhnavī which is also a “female derivative” of the same name? The only difference is that jahnāvī is RV and jāhnavī is its post-RV form. Just like manāvī is the older form of mānavī.

Then Witzel insists that jahnāvī in the RV refers to “the wife or a female relation of jahnu or otherwise connected to him or his clan” (§4): a broad category-reference (anything but the river!) to a woman totally unknown to the whole of Sanskrit literature and to all traditional and almost all modern commentators on the RV, but so important that she is mentioned twice in the RV (and in obscure contexts where her womanhood is difficult to envisage) while “jahnu” and his clan (both of whose very existence Witzel assumes on the basis of post-RV literature) do not merit a single mention!....

…. It is difficult to know where the Purāṇas enter into the picture: the hnavī is a river of U.P. (also, and more commonly, known as the Gagā) as simply as the Yamunā is a river of U.P. — But the Purāṇas do figure in Witzel’s claim that the word refers to the “wife or female relation of Jahnu” (a “chieftain” or person known only from the Purāṇas as an eponymous ancestor of the Jāhnavas referred to in post-Samhita Vedic literature).


Monday, 15 December 2025

Terrorists and Terrorism and the Rights and Wrongs of the Matter

 

Terrorists and Terrorism and the Rights and Wrongs of the Matter

Shrikant G. Talageri

 

Is there any kind of “terrorism” which would have my approval or moral support? This was the question put before me recently, in the course of a conversation about terrorism in general, by an acquaintance, who asked me to give my honest opinion on the subject. I had never thought I would actually write an article on the subject, but, after this conversation, a long wait at Borivali station on the Mumbai local Western Railways on Sunday (two days ago) brought the issue to my mind again. So am I actually writing an article of this kind admitting to be having some kind of sympathy with any kind of “terrorist” activities? Well, since I have always believed in speaking out my true opinions on every subject, without indulging in politically correct and hypocritical reservations and without caring about “log kya kahenge”, it appears I am.

In coffee table conversations, ever since my acquaintanceship/friendship with “Hindu”/Hindutvawadi circles (HM, VHP, RSS, etc.) commenced in my college days, and especially since Islamic terrorism became a commonly known and discussed phenomenon, I have heard stray people often wishfully/wistfully  expressing the thought that there should be a “Hindu Terrorist” organization which would go around bombing Muslim areas or bombing areas in Pakistan in the exact same manner as Islamic terrorist organizations. “That would teach them” is the logic behind this kind of wishful/wistful comments.

As I said above, recently someone (not in any way advocating or expressing a desire for such a Hindu terrorist organization) asked me my sincere opinion about whether I think the same. And when I said “no”, he asked me whether I was merely being diplomatic or politically correct, and wanted to know my real feelings on the subject. And in fact he asked whether I objected to “violence” per se, or were there situations in which a person or organization indulging in violence (to the point of killing or destroying property) would fail to outrage me or would even have my moral support. This led me to thinking on the subject, and I realized that there would indeed be situations where “terrorism” (or a process where a person or organization indulging in violence to the point of killing or destroying property) would indeed not outrage me or would even have my moral support, And the first basic point that I realized was that while a person or organization indulging in violence (to the point of killing or destroying property) merely on the basis of “identity” issues, killing innocent bystanders in the process, will never have my approval, there could indeed be situations where a person or organization indulging in violence (to the point of killing or destroying property) would have my moral support. I am in no way in a position to (and have not the slightest desire to) inspire, form, organize, finance, or conduct the activities of, any such “terrorism”, but I have no inhibition to prevent me from stretching out my neck to express my views on the subject.

Before “revealing” the two kinds of “terrorist” individuals or organizations whose violence (to the point of killing or destroying property) would indeed have my moral support, I will examine the subject on more general and dispassionate grounds.

I. Terrorism Defined and Analyzed.

II. What types of “Terrorism” Pass the Test in my Opinion?

 

 

I. Terrorism Defined and Analyzed

1. For the record, when I asked the question “Definition of terrorist or terrorism” on Google, I got the following “AI overview’ reply:

Terrorism is broadly defined as the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to create fear within a population and thereby achieve political, religious, or ideological goals. 

A terrorist is a person who engages in such acts and is generally concerned with the commission, preparation, or instigation of these actions”.


2. The above definition, while pointing to “political, religious, or ideological goals” as the inspiration and aim of terrorists and terrorism, does not take note of the fact that the victims (or victim populations) chosen may be based on their political, religious, or ideological identities, but also that this may not necessarily be a strict point of importance to the terrorists. Thus, when an Islamic terrorist chooses to detonate bombs to terrorize his target “population” (e.g. Hindus, Jews, etc.) it will not only be of no importance to him whether or not those who die in the bomb blasts are necessarily Hindus, Jews, etc. who stand in the way of his aims (i.e. they may well be totally innocent Hindus, Jews, etc., who are totally free of any political, religious, or ideological predilections), but it will also be of no importance to him that some of the victims may happen to be innocent Muslims as well! In some cases, Muslims may even be targeted to create a reaction against the targeted population of non-Muslims. Spreading terror gets to become an aim in itself, going far beyond the preliminary political, religious, or ideological hatreds with which the terrorist starts out on his journey. The fact that people going about their daily lives, and having nothing to do with any political, religious, or ideological issues, get destroyed is just an irrelevant detail to terrorists.

Clearly, some kind of ruthless and perverted psychopathic mentality (with strong shades of sadism) is necessarily a part of the terrorist make-up, beyond any issues of political, religious, or ideological concern.

 

3. There are obviously situations where no one can legitimately or honestly object to “the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to create fear within a population” in certain circumstances, as when police or armies use it against a “population” consisting of organized armed gangs, actual terrorists themselves, murderous drug racketeers, serial killers, human traffickers, etc. Here this kind of violence aims to stop or put an end to actual violence.

 

4. There will of course be certain types of people who will object even to this above kind of “violence” which aims to stop or put an end to actual violence. The two main types of people who do object strongly to such “violence” are the two categories of advocates of fakeHumanism”: i.e. “Gandhians” and truewokeleftists. These two types of fake humanists are the hypocritical sadists whose “humanist” sympathies are really with the perpetrators of violence than with their victims.

Gandhi himself did very much represent this kind of fake behavior. For example, Godse cites the following in his book “May It Please Your Honour”:

The practice of non-violence according to Gandhiji is to endure or put up with the blows of the aggressor without showing any resistance either by weapon or by physical force. Gandhiji has, while describing his Nonviolence given the example of a ‘tiger becoming a follower of the creed of non-violence after the cows allowed themselves to be killed and swallowed in such large numbers that the tiger ultimately got tired of killing them.' It will be remembered that at Kanpur, Ganesh Shanker Vidyarthi fell a victim to the murderous assault by the Muslims of the place on him. Gandhiji has often cited this submission to the Muslims' blows as an ideal example of embracing death for the creed of non- violence”.

Gandhi had also said (and this is not a fake quotation): "My own experience but confirms the opinion that the Musalman as a rule is a bully, and the Hindu as a rule is a coward…. Bullies are always to be found where there are cowards". But even here, he backtracked from the logical connotation of his statement by saying “If Hindus wished to convert the Muslim 'bully' into a 'respecting friend,' they had to learn to 'die in the face of the heaviest odds' without retaliation”.

That even a mere observation by Gandhi on the more undesirable fall-out of the otherwise commendable universalist, tolerant and respectful nature of Hinduism and Hindus was quickly amended by him to take away the sting from it shows the value of his fake “humanism”. But no-one should think that Hindus are fools to take Gandhi’s words as a canonical statement of the dogma that they must follow in order to show themselves to be "true" Hindus!

The practical truth of his observation (and its logical connotation) has been borne out in Mumbai and Gujarat. Till 1992-1993 in Mumbai (and till 2002 in Gujarat), regular riots used to be annual, biannual or multiannual events resulting in disruptions, destructions and deaths, on the basis of any event anywhere in the world. In my very first book published in 1993, I had written:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2021/09/does-aryan-invasion-theory-mean-that.html

Any event in any Muslim country gives Indian Muslims the right to take to the streets and start vicious riots, all over the country, in an orgy of loot, arson and vandalism (especially vandalism of Hindu temples, shops and houses situated near Muslim areas). The event may be the arson by an Australian tourist in the Al-Aqsa mosque in far-off Jerusalem, the temporary take-over by a group of Sunni extremists of the mosque in Mecca, the execution of Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto by Zia-ul-Haq in Pakistan, or the death of Zia-ul-Haq in an aircrash.

The Leftist and secularist response to all these riots, as to every other riot started by Muslims, is the same: huge amounts of money are paid to the Muslim "victims" of the riots: action is demanded, and often taken, against police officials for "atrocities against Muslims"; conferences are held and reports published in which "Hindu communalists" are held ultimately responsible for the riots; and strident demands are made to offset the "Hindu character" of the police and paramilitary forces by large-scale recruitment of' Muslims.

But after the 1992-1993 Mumbai riots and the 2002 Gujarat riots, when Hindus showed that they were not cowards, there has not been a single riot in these two places to date (i.e. till 2025). And guess what: the normal Muslim in these two places is as happy about this riotless state as the normal Hindu, since normal people desire to live their normal day-to-day lives in comparative peace more than to remain in perpetual states of battle-alertness!

Fake Gandhians (who are often woke leftists in Gandhian clothing) will never quote, much less present as observations to be pondered over and discussed, these above statements of Gandhi, for very obvious reasons. They will merely spout goody-goody views on love, peace and non-violence in the name of Gandhi, meant for the edification and instruction only of Hindus.

In the case of woke leftists, the obsession with having rabid sympathies with the perpetrators of violence than with their victims is an intrinsic and core aspect of their sadistic and pathological hatred for all human beings in the name of “humanism”. See my following article, “Rapists, ‘Child Rights’, Left and Right”:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2016/05/rapists-child-rights-left-and-right.html

 

5. I, like most Hindus, am born a Hindu, and likewise there will be Muslims born as Muslims and Christians born as Christians. This is the identity one is born with. No-one has a right to kill, attack, hate or discriminate against, someone else for the identity with which they are born. As I wrote earlier in this article, a person or organization indulging in violence (to the point of killing or destroying property) merely on the basis of “identity” will never have my approval. Even in my article on “Hindutva or Hindu Nationalism” (an extract from what was published in the Sita Ram Goel Commemoration Volume in 2005), I clearly set out my views about a true Hindu Nationalist government system:

An administrative system which governs the least, and with the least interference; and which provides public utilities at the least cost to one and all; and which provides full protection, security and aid to every citizen - regardless of race, religion, caste, sex, profession, or any other mark of identity - from fear, terror, injustice, insecurity, crime and oppression, from hunger and want, and from diseases and natural disasters…..

To sum up: we must evolve a nationalist socio-economic ideology which will try to (1) make India a rich, prosperous, peaceful and happy nation; and (2) see that, basically, for every Indian, regardless of race, religion, caste, sex, profession, or any other mark of identity, India truly becomes a land “where the mind is without fear, and the head is held high”, in every sense of the term. The primary guiding principle should be sarve bhavantu sukhinah, sarve santu niramayah, sarve bhadrani pashyantu, ma kashchid duhkha bhag bhavet: “may all be contented and happy, may all be free of pain and disease, may all ever see auspicious times, may no-one be unhappy”.

[Read Anand Ranganathan’s book “Hindus in Hindu Rashtra…” and many of my articles which detail how India under every Party government, and most definitely under the mercenary BJP government, is a country where Hindus are singled out for discrimination and harassment, and the state most definitely does not provide “full protection, security and aid to Hindus from fear, terror, injustice, insecurity, crime and oppression, from hunger and want, and from diseases and natural disasters” or even give them equal rights with Muslims and Christians!].

 

6. I reiterated this point (about people born as Muslims or Christians in India) because this raises a different question which requires to be discussed: what about Muslims and Christians in India who are not born as Muslims and Christians, but are converted from Hinduism? Do people who have converted from one religion to another have, in my opinion, the same moral right to their “religious identity” as people born in the religion (perhaps because their ancestors converted long before their birth)?

I must put forward my clear views on various aspects of this matter:

Everyone has a right to believe in the religion or spiritual persuiasion of his/her choice and to follow it. But this is a vague, goody-goody, and deceptive idea if not understood in its true sense.  Trueconversion” can only be a purely personal and individual affair where a person learns about some particular type of religious/spiritual view and feels it most suited to his/her personal nature and character and adopts its tenets in personal life. It is then therefore a purely personal matter. But here also there are very important nuances concerning marriage:

When someone marries, it should really be a personal matter for each individual to decide whether to remain within one’s ancestral religion or to adopt the religion of one’s spouse. Logically, of course, one expects that this feeling of wanting to be in harmony with one’s spouse should work both ways, and both the husband and wife should be equally accommodating and accepting of each other’s religion. One also expects that the issue must have been thought out, discussed and decided before the actual marriage. However, we see in real life that in Hindu-Muslim marriages and Hindu-Christian marriages it always tends to be a one-way affair, with the Hindu practically expected to give up his/her religion and adopt that of the spouse. In recent times, the ugliest public display of this “my religion only” attitude has been in the disgusting case of the JD Vance-Usha Vance marriage. Even then, with a severe loss of respect for both the partners in such a marriage, I would still say it is a personal matter.

This brings us to the matter of “love-jihad”. In Islamic countries (including Pakistan and Bangladesh) and even in most parts of India with areas dominated by Muslims and Islamic underworld elements, “Hindu-Muslim” marriages (especially when the bride is a Hindu) are very often a matter of coercion and actually terrorism. The film The Kerala Story gave the true story in graphic details in the matter of Kerala. Obviously, normal discourse about inter-religious marriages cannot apply here. But in other areas with normal, modern, cosmopolitan or otherwise free societies, if a Hindu girl chooses to marry a Muslim boy and herself adopt Islam in her personal life, I would still say it is a personal matter, again with great loss of respect for the girl, which would legitimately get converted to contempt and disgust if she suddenly converted herself into a burqa-clad anti-Hindu-views-spouting Muslim. Even then, a personal matter: if she lives to regret it later, and even if she doesn’t, that (in my opinion) is her problem or fate, and her personal affair.

Basically, any person in a purely personal and individual capacity can believe in or adopt any spiritual or religious practice without it being an issue. Hinduism is the primary example of such open religiosity. People belong to different castes, regions and communities with their own Gods, customs and rituals, and yet freely join in the religious activities of other castes, regions and communities. Some ex-Hindus (i.e. Christians and Muslims whose ancestors converted) also sometimes share this ancestral spirit of open religiosity. So do many Parsees. As I wrote in my article “Are Indian Tribals Hindus?” (in six parts on my blog, but in a single one on Academia.edu):

https://www.academia.edu/43131618/Are_Indian_Tribals_Hindus

The fact is, Hinduism can never be in true conflict with any other religion (other than the two predator Abrahamic religions which themselves choose conflict with all other religions) since it has no particular God, Ritual or Dogma to impose on the followers of other religions. In itself, Hinduism contains the seeds of every kind of philosophy, and is comfortable with all streams of thought, and not necessarily to do with the worship of “Gods”. In Hinduism, we find all kinds of atheistic and materialistic philosophies, the most well known being the Lokayata philosophy of Charvaka, who believed that there is only one life, that there is no such thing as an afterlife, or heaven or hell, or rebirth, and that our only purpose in life should be to maximize our pleasures and minimize our pains. The very basic texts of Hinduism contain the seeds and roots of agnostic philosophies, from the Rigvedic Nasadiya Sukta (X.129. 6-7, which says: “Who verily knows and who can here declare it, whence it was born and whence comes this creation? The Gods are later than this world's production. Who knows then whence it first came into being? He, the first origin of this creation, whether he formed it all or did not form it? He whose eye controls this world in highest heaven, he verily knows it, or perhaps he knows not.”) to the Upanishadic speculations which reject everything, after deep discussion, with the phrase “neti, neti”: “not this, not this”, i.e., “no, this is still not the ultimate truth”. And then of course, there is every kind of deistic, henotheistic, pantheistic, polytheistic, and every other kind of -theistic philosophy, including even (but not exclusively) monotheistic philosophy (minus the hatred of “other” false religions and false Gods, and the concepts of permanent Heaven for believers and Hell for non-believers, characteristic of Abrahamic monotheism).

This is not to say that intolerant strands are not found in Hindu texts: among the countless philosophies that flowered within Hinduism there could be found stray voices of intolerance and hatred, but they are just that: stray voices in the wilderness, which never became the voices of mainstream Hinduism, unlike in the Abrahamic religions, where they represent the Only Voice. 

 

Hinduism thus represents the opposite end of the spectrum from the Abrahamic religions: of the four possible attitudes towards other religions and religious beliefs (respect, tolerance, indifference and hatred), Hinduism represents respect for all other religions and streams of thought and philosophy, while Christianity (as also Islam) represents hatred. This is the central thread of Hinduism: even the Manu Smriti enjoins that when a king wins a victory over an enemy king and enters his (i.e. the enemy) kingdom, the first thing he must do is to pray and worship at the feet of the deity of that king and kingdom. The Bhagawad Gita, even as it asks Arjuna (and presumably mankind in general) to abandon all other dharmas (i.e. duties, not religions) and surrender to the Supreme Entity (an abstract concept although nominally represented by “Bhagwan Shrikrishna” here), assures him that whatever form of worship he indulges in, that worship reaches Him (i.e. that Supreme Entity) and Him alone – a far cry from the “One True” God and “One True” form of worship as opposed to other “false” Gods and “false” forms of worship classified by Christianity (and Islam).


This is the reason a Hindu would not think twice before bowing his head in genuine reverent worship before an idol of Osiris or Isis in Egypt, Quetzalcoatl or Kulkulcan in Central America, or Kuan Yin in China (or, indeed, before visiting churches and dargahs, not realizing the difference between non-Abrahamic and Abrahamic religious entities). This is the reason why the Zoroastrians who fled Iran from Abrahamic persecution, and the Jews who fled ancient Palestine, found safe, respectful and helpful refuge only in Hindu India and nowhere else. And this is also the reason why the tribal Gods and tribal religions in different parts of India which, either due to isolated location or out of choice, did not choose to merge, or merge fully, into the greater pan-Indian Hindu entity (where, in any case, their distinctive characteristics would only have been respected, preserved and popularised everywhere) continued to freely maintain their distinctive identities to this day – i.e. till the advent of the predatory missionaries.

 

If this is so, what is my objection to conversion from Hinduism to Christianity or Islam? Plainly and simply:

6a). Conversion (especially, even in the present day, to Christianity) is not a matter of personal or individual choice. In the past it was a matter of forced conversion by the sword, and, except brazenly lying leftist historians, no-one can deny or pretend to doubt that for one second. It is a matter (apart from very sharp and graphic Hindu traditional memories) of detailed records left by the Islamic and Christian proselytizers themselves. At present, Christian Evangelism is a multi-trillion-dollar industry funded and backed by powerful political elements in western countries: see Arun shourie’s book “Harvesting Our Souls”. People don’t convert as thinking individuals, it is mercenary mass conversion where entire countries (Nepal on our own borders) are slowly becoming Christian all over the world, and entire states (at present count, Tamilnadu, Andhra, Arunachal Pradesh…), as well as districts, talukas and towns and villages in different other states, are becoming Christian within India.

This is not mere “religious conversion”: this is a war on Hinduism going on all over India, and in my opinion, it should be treated as a war situation.

6b). In the case of conversion from Hinduism to Christianity or Islam it is not merely a case of conversion from one religion to another, it is a case of conversion from an open, accepting way of life to a closed and hate-driven way of life. A convert is mandatorily expected to hate his/her earlier religion and co-religionists as a matter of principle in this life and in the hereafter. The only idea of “love” in this discourse is bringing earlier co-religionists out of the earlier religion and into the new one to “save” them!

We cannot, should not, and do not have a right to be “tolerant” towards intolerant ideologies. Being “tolerant” towards intolerant ideologies is not “tolerance”. Karl Popper has expressed this point in great detail in his book “The Open Society and Its Enemies” (1945:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

The paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance. This paradox was articulated by philosopher Karl Popper in The Open Society and Its Enemies (1945),[1] where he argued that a truly tolerant society must retain the right to deny tolerance to those who promote intolerance. Popper posited that if intolerant ideologies are allowed unchecked expression, they could exploit open society values to erode or destroy tolerance itself through authoritarian or oppressive practices.

The point of all this is that when I wrote above; “I, like most Hindus, am born a Hindu, and likewise there will be Muslims born as Muslims and Christians born as Christians. This is the identity one is born with”, I did not include, and do not consider, the “Christian identity” of neo-converts to Christianity (i.e, people who were born Hindus but converted to Christianity in their lifetime) in India as their “identity”. I make no bones about it. This conversion is not “religious conversion”, it is a full-fledged war against Hinduism by powerful international forces.

Further to the above, I wrote: “No-one has a right to kill, attack, hate or discriminate against, someone else for the identity with which they are born. As I wrote earlier in this article, a person or organization indulging in violence (to the point of killing or destroying property) merely on the basis of “identity” will never have my approval”. Does this mean that violence against these neo-Christians has my approval?

As I do not want to be hypocritical, let me say in very clear terms that it has neither my approval nor my disapproval. If it had my disapproval, I would not have included the names of “Dara Singh (of Orissa fame)” and “The unknown, unnamed Sentinelese tribal who shot an arrow and killed the American missionary boy of Chinese origin in November 2018” in my article as two of “The Twelve Indian Political Figures I Like, Respect and Admire the Most”. I refuse to disapprove of “terrorism” against missionaries in India (including neo-converts who function as missionaries). But more responsible even than these missionaries are the Indian politicians (belonging to left, secularist and pseudo-Hindutva parties) and leftistintellectuals” who encourage these missionary activities for mercenary reasons, so I obviously do not and cannot approve of “terrorism” against the actual neo-converts. I leave the question open, and leave it to people to draw their own conclusions. 

 


II. What types of “Terrorism” Pass the Test in my Opinion?

As I wrote above, I am in no way in a position to (and have not the slightest desire to) inspire, form, organize, finance, or conduct the activities of, any such “terrorism”, but I have no inhibition to prevent me from stretching out my neck to express my views on the subject.

There are two types of “terrorism” which would have my moral support or approval.

The first is terrorism against terrorists themselves. I wrote above: “There are obviously situations where no one can legitimately or honestly object to “the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence to create fear within a population” in certain circumstances, as when police or armies use it against a “population” consisting of organized armed gangs, actual terrorists themselves, murderous drug racketeers, serial killers, human traffickers, etc. Here this kind of violence aims to stop or put an end to actual violence.

When police and armies undertake such tasks, it is perfectly legitimate. But when individuals and organizations do it, it is considered illegitimate and called “vigilantism”. And indeed, human beings being human beings with their multiple faults, the individuals and organizations who/which start out on such activities generally tend to acquire criminal tendencies themselves in the course of time and become at least as big a problem as the socio-criminal tendencies and problems in society that they set out (or claimed to set out) to counter in the first place: perhaps Naxalites who claimed to have set out to oppose socio-economic exploitation in rural and tribal parts of India are the most telling examples of this. So it is not practical or realistic to really support violent vigilantism as a real solution to problems.

Nevertheless, since I abhor injustice of any and every kind, I have always, at least in theory and in my mind, had a sneaking liking for true vigilantes (at least before they become problems in themselves). When I read newspapers (in the past: I stopped reading newspapers and watching news programs after 2019) or see crime serials, or even watch TV “family” soap operas, I often wish there was some terrorist organization or higher power (perhaps, as in old Pauranik films, a rishi with incredible magical powers acquired after thousands of years of tapascharya in the Himalayas?) which would suddenly appear and, with great and systematic organization or one wave of a wand, would ruthlessly teach a lesson to all these criminals (from organized armed gangs, actual terrorists themselves, murderous drug racketeers, serial killers, human traffickers, etc. to rapists, abusive husbands, roadside goondas, school bullies, etc,). Childish? Admittedly yes! But that is the way I feel.

In the circumstances, I recently started seeing an old English (American) serial on Netflix, “Dexter”. It is all about a man (named, obviously, Dexter) who has psychopathic tendencies and obsessive urges to kill people in a brutal way. His adopted father, however, has trained him from childhood to use this evil tendency (the “Dark Companion” or “monster” within his psyche, as he calls it) for the good of society, by killing serial killers and brutal monster-criminals who manage to escape punishment because they are never caught, or because the extremely faulty American “justice system” lets such dangerous criminals loose on society.

[But all justice systems are criminally faulty: remember the brutal rapist who had thrust a rod into “Nirbhaya” in the notorious Delhi gang-rape case in 2012 and pulled out her intestines, and who was given a short sentence of three years in a “special reform facility” by our Indian justice system, and who was not only released and let loose on an unsuspecting populace in 2015, but moved to an undisclosed location in South India and given a new identity and a job, reportedly at a roadside eatery, as part of a rehabilitation program with a charity?]

To be very frank, I just loved this serial (I have not yet completed all the seasons, and am still on the sixth season), and very, very fervently wished there were such terrorist vigilantes like Dexter or super-efficient secret vigilante organizations in India, genuinely dedicated to dealing with satanic criminals with the utmost violence possible. So, yes, such vigilante terrorists and terrorist organizations would have my full approval.

The second type of “terrorism” which would probably have my approval is the destruction of public properties in certain specific cases. Here I know I will have all the “upwardly mobile middle classes” of Mumbai baying for my blood, or at least condemning me in strong terms for what they may call “anti-developmental” obsessions, and perhaps even calling for strong action to be taken against me on charges of “sedition” or “terrorism” or “urban naxalism”. Well, I am only expressing my heartfelt wishes. As I wrote above, I am in no way in a position to (and have not the slightest desire to) inspire, form, organize, finance, or conduct the activities of, any such “terrorism”, but I have really strong feelings on this subject and wish to put down in writing a frustrated desire or idle wish that I have felt countless times in the last few years whenever I have had to travel long distance on local Western Railway trains in Mumbai (say to Virar or Borivali in the north of Mumbai, from Churchgate, Grant Road or Mumbai Central in the south of Mumbai, and back). Two days ago, Sunday, I had to go to Borivali to listen to a lecture on Chandragupta Maurya organized by an associate organization of the RSS (one of my old office colleagues was among the organizers and had asked me if I would attend it). It was when I was returning in the late evening from Borivali (and hanging around at Borivali station) that this dark idle wish sprang into my mind again: “I wish there was a terrorist organization which would blow out of existence every single local AC (air-conditioned) train in Mumbai, without of course causing any loss or injury to human life”.

[This, after the recent conversation on terrorism with an acquaintance, was the last straw which made me think of writing this article today].

Two factors about Mumbai must be kept in mind:

One:  while all kinds of new transport facilities have been developed in Mumbai in the last decade (sea-routes, metro train systems, highways, underground roads, etc.) the population of Mumbai keeps shooting up like rocket, and in spite of all the new modes of transport, the main mode of transport for the vast majority of people in Mumbai (especially for the working classes, the poor and lower middle classes, etc. most of them living in the northernmost suburbs of Mumbai and its satellite towns) is the over-a-century-old local railway system with three lines, the Western Railway, the Central Railway (Main line) and the Central Railway (Harbour line). People living at one corner of Mumbai and working at the other corner (or having to move to and fro in the course of their daily work) have to travel by local trains all the time. The trains and platforms are always tightly packed at almost any point of time in the day, but most especially during what is known as the “peak working hours” in two long stretches morning-to-afternoon and evening-to-night. Before and after working all day long, people have to travel for hours in tightly packed trains in suffocating atmospheres, from home to office and office to home. Only the people who live through these situations know how searing the daily experiences of travelling by the local trains can be, for which there are no real alternatives, and how badly it affects their time, dispositions and health.

To be honest, I have to face this situation only rarely, usually on holidays, when I make the infrequent trips to distant suburbs in north Mumbai. When I was working, both my office and home being in south Mumbai, and any northern travel being against the rush tide, I have not faced the brunt of this horror. But lakhs and lakhs of poorer people, who live in northern Mumbai and have to travel to and from the south during peak hours, have faced this kind of life since decades, with the situation only growing worse with time with the growing population of Mumbai and the shift of the bulk of people to houses in the northern suburbs.

As if things were not bad enough, western Railways have introduced “AC (air-conditioned) local trains” since December 2017, and the number of such trains is slowly increasing. The prices of the tickets are obviously much more than in the case of the normal locals, and they are meant for the new middle elites (mainly the “upwardly mobile middle classes”, the IT crowd, the younger crowds, etc.) while the poorer classes would not be able to afford the fares within their limited budgets. So, while the peak-hour crowds on the platforms keep increasing by the minute, we see the daily scene of people wearily waiting on the platforms as an “AC local” comes (later than the scheduled time) and goes off half empty. Sometimes two “AC locals” come one after the other (with gaps of 5-10 minutes in between) while the crowds continue to increase by the minute. Finally, a normal local train arrives, but so tightly packed (with people hanging out from the doors: after all this is the situation on earlier station platforms as well!) and no-one is able to enter the train. The train leaves after some time, leaving most of the hapless people on the platform to wait for more time (even as the crowds continue to increase on the platform). I think this much of a word picture is enough.

When I, who rarely have to endure this situation, find myself so frustrated and furious over it, can you imagine the condition of the poor people who have to face this situation at least twice a day, every day, for hours on end? But who cares for the woes of the poorer classes? India is “progressing”! And this total indifference to the woes and troubles of the poor is a standard feature of mercenary India today.