Stuhrmann, Witzel and the Joke that
is Western Indology
Shrikant G Talageri
A German
scholar, Rainer Stuhrmaan, has written a paper in German, entitled "Die
Zehnkönigsschlacht am Ravifluß" ("The Ten Kings' Battle on the
Ravi"), appearing in Witzel's "Electronic Journal of Vedic
Studies", Volume 23 (2016), Issue 1:
The paper
itself is in German, a language which is Greek to Indian (Hindu) bank-employee
yokels like myself, but, fortunately, we have a summary of the paper translated
(from German to English) by none other than Witzel himself, which sheds a
little light on the scholarly findings published in this paper. This paper is
important because it shows more clearly than anything else how Indological
studies in western academia are nothing short of a joke: paper after paper is
still written by scholar after scholar, reiterating utterly discredited and
disproved themes and ideas which carry on nineteenth century misconceptions
with the doggedness of the horse with cast-iron blinkers, who can neither see,
nor is expected to see, newer interpretations and new facts and data in deeply-researched
papers by writers outside the hallowed circle of the closed-door clique that
constitutes the "peer reviewed" mutual admiration society that is
western academia. It shows the utterly fake, fraudulent and outdated nature of
present-day western "Indology", which has become nothing more than a
powerful, academically recognized and financed, propaganda club or juvenile
writers' cottage industry.
Before
examining (on the basis of the translated summary of the paper by Witzel)
the hopelessly outdated aspects of Stuhrmann's paper, it will be pertinent to
point out a few positive points in Stuhrmann's paper:
1. First,
when he quotes Witzel in describing the Battle of the Ten Kings as the "main
political occurrence of the Rig-Veda (Witzel 2007:435)". Indeed it is
the main (and oldest recorded) political occurrence in Indo-European history,
since it records the presence of five (Indo-Aryan, Iranian, Armenian, Greek and
Albanian) of the twelve recognized branches of Indo-European languages, in
fact the very five branches classified by linguists as being the last five
branches to remain in any proposed Homeland after the departure of the other
seven branches, in the most important historical event in the Homeland
before the migration of four of these branches from that Homeland. See the last
section of part 3 of my blogspot article:
2. Two, when
he goes against the consensus of most western Indologists that treats the Pūru tribe as being among the enemies
of Sudās in the battle. Apart from accepting that the Bharata-s were "a
subtribe of the Pūru", he writes: "Because of stanza 13 most interpreters of the
hymn 7.18 are of the opinion that the Pūru who are allied with the Bharata
throughout the Rig-Veda, belong to the defeated enemies of Sudās. However [….] the Pūru somehow must have been on the side
of King Sudās and the Bharata, though not in the actual Ten kings' battle". Of course, he immediately
spoils it by reiterating the usual Indological confusion, identifying Purukutsa with the Pūru tribe! [Note: in his pointless "review" of my
second book in 2001, Witzel had treated my use of the word "king" for
Sudās as indicative of my pathetic ignorance of the state of the Civilization
in Rigvedic times!]
3. Three,
when, in the face of a determined trend among political scholars, including
Witzel, who have all along maintained that the Sarasvatī of the Rigveda is the present-day
Ghaggar-Hakra river, but (after my three books) have now suddenly started a
campaign to deny the identification, Stuhrmann writes: "archeological
research of Mughal and others have shown that until the mid-second millennium
BCE the banks of the Sarasvatī were still dotted with Indus Culture settlements",
thus confirming the identity of the two rivers.
Apart from
these little points, Stuhrmann writes as if nothing has been written about the
Battle of the Ten Kings since the nineteenth century (apart, of course, from
the writings of "scholars" like Witzel, who also have not moved
beyond the nineteenth century). He completely ignores (as we will see in
detail presently) not only the irrefutable conclusions demonstrated by me in my
books, but also the actual data in the Rigveda on the basis of which I have
drawn those conclusions, and bases his interpretations wholly and solely
on purely extraneous theories and hypotheses which have been concocted
by the Indologists on the principle that the Rigveda simply should not be
treated as a source book of data and that theories and hypotheses about the
Rigveda are to be concocted strictly without reference to any data from the
text.
The two main
discredited points Stuhrmann reiterates throughout his paper are a) that the
enemies of Sudās and the Bharata-s in the battle were mainly "indigenous
non-Aryans" native to the area of the Indus Civilization, and b) that the
direction of movement and conquest of Sudās and the Bharata-s was from
"west to east":
I. "Indigenous Non-Aryans"
Stuhrmann
tells us: "Shortly after crossing the Ravi river, he [Sudās] was
encircled by an alliance of Aryan and non-Aryan tribes", and again:
"The alliance consisted of Aryan and non-Aryan tribes with whom the
earlier Aryan immigrants, such as the Turvaśa, Yadu and Druhyu, had allied themselves". He continues: "much
points to non-Aryan indigenous tribes settled on the banks of the Ravi river
and belonging to a 'hydraulic' civilization that had mastered the knowledge and
tools necessary to affect a river system. In fact, there are many indications
in the Rig-Veda of a hydraulic civilization that was familiar with river
management by controls, dykes, reinforcement of dykes and with sluices - in other words: the Indus civilization". In short, the
"Aryan Invasion" of the "non-Aryan indigenous" Indus
civilization, according to Stuhrmann, is actually recorded as the "main
political occurrence of the Rig-Veda (Witzel 2007:435)". He
generously concedes that these "non-Aryan indigenous tribes"
(i.e. the people of the Indus civilization) had some "allies"
among some "earlier Aryan immigrants, such as the Turvaśa, Yadu and Druhyu", thereby making it perfunctorily "an alliance
of Aryan and non-Aryan tribes".
The
insolence of such claims continuously being made in these Indological papers is
breath-taking. These "scholars" at least should be aware that
"Aryan" and "non-Aryan" (as they use these terms) are
not general adjectives meaning something like "good" and
"bad" or "pleasant" and "unpleasant" or
"noble" and "ignoble" to be used in a general and
subjective sense. Precisely speaking, in the context in which these
"scholars" use them, they mean "Indo-European" and
"non-Indo-European" in a very precise linguistic sense. But, even
as they freely describe the enemies of Sudās as "non-Aryan", they
are not able to give one single example of a word, in the hymns referring to
the battle, which could be interpreted as a reference to any entity which could
be categorized as linguistically non-Indo-European: not one word
which can be linguistically identified as referring to speakers of a Dravidian
language, an Austric (Kol-Munda) language, the Burushaski language, or an
Andamanese dialect, or, for that matter, a Semitic, Sino-Tibetan, Uralo-Altaic
or any other language belonging to any known language family in existence (or
now extinct, like the Sumerian language) anywhere in the world. Then in exactly
what sense do they have the academic guts to describe the enemies of Sudās as
"non-Aryan"?
On the other
hand, the data in the Rigveda makes it very clear that the enemies of Sudās (who
belonged to the Bharata sub-tribe of the Pūru tribal conglomerate) belonged to
the Anu tribal conglomerate. In fact, as I have pointed out in detail in my
books, and in the last section of part 3 of my blogspot article cited earlier,
the enemy tribes, specifically named in the two battle hymns, bear the names of
the ancient tribes among the Iranian, Armenian, Greek and Albanian branches of
Indo-European languages. To quote from that blog, the two hymns use the
following tribal appellations for the enemies of Sudās who belonged to the Anu
tribal conglomerate:
VII.18.5 Śimyu.
VII.18.6 Bhṛgu.
VII.18.7 Paktha, Bhalāna, Alina, Śiva,
Viṣāṇin.
VII.83.1 Parśu/Parśava, Pṛthu/Pārthava,
Dāsa.
[Puranic
Anus: Madra.]
To further
quote from my above blog:
These tribal names are primarily
found only in two hymns, VII.18 and VII.83, of the Rigveda, which
refer to the Anu tribes who fought against Sudās in the dāśarājña battle or "the Battle
of the Ten Kings". But see where these same tribal names are found in
later historical times (after their exodus westwards referred to in VII.5.3
and VII.6.3). Incredibly, they cover, in an almost
continuous geographical belt, the entire sweep of areas extending westwards
from the Punjab (the battleground of the dāśarājña
battle) right up to southern and eastern Europe:
(Avestan) Afghanistan: Proto-Iranian: Sairima (Śimyu), Dahi
(Dāsa).
NE Afghanistan: Proto-Iranian: Nuristani/Piśācin
(Viṣāṇin).
Pakhtoonistan (NW Pakistan), South Afghanistan: Iranian: Pakhtoon/Pashtu (Paktha).
Baluchistan (SW Pakistan), SE Iran: Iranian: Bolan/Baluchi (Bhalāna).
NE Iran: Iranian: Parthian/Parthava (Pṛthu/Pārthava).
SW Iran: Iranian: Parsua/Persian (Parśu/Parśava).
NW Iran: Iranian: Madai/Mede (Madra).
Uzbekistan: Iranian: Khiva/Khwarezmian (Śiva).
W. Turkmenistan: Iranian: Dahae (Dāsa).
Ukraine, S, Russia: Iranian: Alan (Alina), Sarmatian
(Śimyu).
Turkey: Thraco-Phrygian/Armenian: Phryge/Phrygian
(Bhṛgu).
Romania, Bulgaria: Thraco-Phrygian/Armenian: Dacian
(Dāsa).
Greece: Greek: Hellene (Alina).
Albania: Albanian: Sirmio (Śimyu).
Further:
a)
The leader of the enemy alliance is Kavi Cāyamāna: Kauui
is an Iranian (Avestan) name.
b)
The priest of the enemy alliance is Kavaṣa: Kaoša
is an Iranian (Avestan) name.
c)
Kavi Cāyamāna of the
battle hymn was a descendant of Abhyāvartin Cāyamāna, who is described
in the Rigveda (VI.27.8) as a Pārthava. The later Iranian
(Avestan) dynasty (after the Iranians migrated westwards from the Rigvedic
Greater Punjab into Afghanistan, and composed the Avesta), the oldest
Iranian dynasty in historical record (outside the Rigveda) to which belonged Zarathushtra's
patron king and foremost disciple Vištāspa, is the Kavyān
(Pahlavi Kayanian) dynasty descended from this same Kavi/Kauui.
In later historical times, it is the Parthians (Parthava) who
maintained a strong tradition that the kings of the Kavyān dynasty of
the Avesta belonged to their tribe.
In
the face of all this very specific and detailed evidence within the hymns, in
the form of the actual concrete data in the Rigveda, can these Indological
papers, which continue to describe the enemies of Sudās in the Battle of the
Ten Kings as linguistic "non-Aryans", without finding it
necessary to produce an iota of evidence for this claim, be regarded as
anything but lies and trash?
In
the process, Stuhrmann refers to Sudās and the Bharata-s as "the Pūru and Bharata
latecomers",
and as "Vedic conquerors". Hindu opponents of the AIT will
object to these phrases, especially to the idea that the actions of Sudās and
the Bharata-s were the actions of "conquerors", and would instead
insist that it was a fight between
"good Aryans" (represented by Sudās and the Bharata-s) and
"fallen Aryans" (represented by their enemies), and insist that these
"good Aryans" were somehow provoked into attacking, or were even
fighting in self-defence against, an unholy alliance. However, the two phrases
are right, but not in the sense that Stuhrmann uses them: the Pūru-Bharata tribes were indeed
imperialistic "conquerors" of the land and territory of other
tribes, but they were not originally non-Indian "Aryan/Indo-European"
tribes from the west conquering the land of indigenous Indian
"non-Aryans/non-Indo-Europeans", they were indigenous Indian
"Aryans/Indo-Europeans" (Pūru-s) from the east conquering the land of
other equally indigenous Indian "Aryans/Indo-Europeans"
(Anu-s) to their west, a normal (if unfortunate) phenomenon of mutually warring
and conquering tribes that can be seen in any ancient civilization in the
world. And they were "newcomers" not into India, but "newcomers"
(as conquerors) from Haryana and western U.P. in the east into the then Punjab
area of the Anu-s. Both these groups of tribes were components of what
Stuhrmann calls "the Indus civilization" (or, more correctly, "the
Indus-Sarasvati civilization").
II. "From West to East" or
"From East to West"?
Even more
brazenly, Stuhrmann tells us: "Along the Bharatas' trail of conquest
[….] Sudās had crossed the Ravi from west to east, just as he had,
earlier on, the Indus". He repeats the lie: "the Ten Kings
battle took place after the crossing of the Ravi river from west to east". And then: "it
opened up the further path eastward into the Indian core territory, where the
Vedic conquerors followed the carriers of the Indus civilization that had been weakened
by tectonic and hydrological changes".
Let
us start examining this trail of lies from the starting point in Stuhrmann's
story: the crossing of the Indus river "earlier on"
by Sudās:
The
three Oldest Books of the Rigveda, in that order, are 6, 3 and 7. In any
case, more relevant to the point under discussion, these are the books
associated with the periods of Sudās and his ancestors: "In Book 6
of the Bharadvāja, the Bharatas and their king Divodāsa play a central role"
(WITZEL 1995b:332-333), and "Book 3 [….] represents the time of
king Sudās" (WITZEL 1995b:317) (as, obviously does book 7, the Book of
the Battle of the Ten Kings). In these three Books, the word "Sindhu"
is used only in its original etymological sense of "river": except in
8 verses, it is used in the plural in the sense "rivers". In the 8
verses where the word is used in the singular, it refers in every case to a
specific "river" whose identity is clear from the reference itself: Vipāś
(III.33.3,5; 53.9), Paruṣṇī (VII.18.5),
Yamunā (VII.33.3), Sarasvatī (VII.33.6;
95.1), and the ocean (VII.87.6).
Nowhere
in these three Books is there a single reference even to the Indus river
itself, let alone (either in these three Books or elsewhere in the Rigveda) to
any "earlier crossing" of the Indus, let alone to any "earlier
crossing" of the Indus by Sudās, let alone to any "earlier
crossing" of the Indus by Sudās "from west to east". So
where do Witzel and Stuhrmann get the information about this "earlier
crossing" of the Indus by Sudās "from west to east"? Did
Sudās appear in a dream and convey this information to them?
According
to Stuhrmann's fairy-tale (and Witzel's before him), Sudās, and obviously his
ancestors before him, were somewhere beyond (to the west of) the Indus
river till the time Sudās and the Bharata-s set out on their "trail of
conquest". Does the data in the Rigveda support this blatant and
brazen lie? See what the geographical data in the Rigveda tells us, for which I
will quote from part 2 of my blogspot article:
a) The geographical area of the Early Old
Books (6,3,7 in that order) [….] covers only the eastern parts of the
Rigvedic area. These Early Old Books show complete ignorance of western
areas, but easy familiarity with and emotional attachment to the eastern areas
(in VI.61.16, the composer begs the river Sarasvatī:
"let us not go from thee to distant countries"):
These three oldest books mention the eastern
rivers Gaṅgā/Jahnāvī, Yamunā, Dṛṣadvatī/Hariyūpīyā/Yavyāvatī,
Āpayā, Sarasvatī, Śutudrī, Vipāś, Paruṣṇī, Asiknī,
but they do not mention the western rivers Marudvṛdhā,
Vitastā, Ārjīkīyā, Suṣomā, Sindhu and its western tributaries Triṣṭāmā, Susartu, Anitabhā, Rasā,
Śveti, Shvetyāvarī, Kubhā, Krumu, Gomatī, Sarayu,
Mehatnu, Prayiyu, Vayiyu, Suvāstu, Gaurī, Kuṣavā,
all of which are mentioned in the New Books.
They mention the eastern place names Kīkaṭa,
Iḷāspada (also called vara ā pṛthivyā or nābhā pṛthivyā, i.e.
"the best place on earth" or "the centre of the earth") but
they do not mention the western place names Saptasindhava,
Gandhāri, both of which are mentioned in the New Books.
They mention the eastern lake Mānuṣā,
but they do not mention the western lake Śaryaṇāvat(ī)
and the western mountains Mūjavat, Suṣom and Arjīk,
all of which are mentioned in the New Books.
They mention eastern animals like the buffalo,
the gaur (Indian bison), the elephant, the peacock
and the spotted deer, but they do not mention western
animals (whose names are found in common with the Avesta) like the uṣṭra,
varāha, mathra, chāga, vṛṣṇi, urā and meṣha,
all of which are mentioned in the New Books.
b) Further, the western place names,
lake name, mountain names and animal names are missing not only in the
Early Old Books (6,3,7), but also in the Middle Old Books (4,2) and in the New
Book 5: in short, in all the family books. And the river names
appear from east to west in historical contexts:
i) The oldest Book 6 refers only to the Sarasvati
(which is deified in three whole hymns, VI.61, VII.95-96, and in
52 other verses in the three Early Old Books) and to the rivers east of
it: in VI.45.31 the long bushes on the banks of the Gaṅgā
figure in a simile (showing their long acquaintance and easy familiarity with
the topography and flora of the Gaṅgā area).
ii) The next Book 3 refers in III.58.6
to the banks of the Jahnāvī (Gaṅgā) as the "ancient
homeland" of the Gods. In III.23.3-4, it remembers the
establishment of a perpetual sacred fire by Devavāta, a far ancestor
of the Rigvedic king Sudas, at Iḷaspada (in Haryana) on the
eastern banks of the Sarasvatī. In III.33, it refers for the
first time to the first two easternmost rivers of the Punjab, the Vipāś
and Śutudrī, in the context of the militarist expansion in all
directions (after a religious ceremony performed at vara ā pṛthivyā
in Haryana) by Sudās, and the reference is to his moving from Haryana
into the Punjab and crossing the two rivers with his warriors.
iii) The next book 7 (which refers to the Yamunā
in VII.18.19) describes (in VII.18, and also 19,33 and 83)
the dāśarājña battle (the Battle of the Ten Kings) in which
Sudās, fighting from the east on the banks of the third easternmost river
of the Punjab, the Paruṣṇī, fights the coalition of ten Anu tribes who
are described (in VII.5.3) as the Asiknī people (as they
are fighting from the west, from the direction of the fourth easternmost
river of the Punjab, the Asiknī).
The three Early Old Books (6,3,7) do not
refer to rivers further west.
iv) The Middle Old Book 4 (but not yet the
Middle Old Book 2, whose riverine references are restricted to the Sarasvatī)
for the first time refers to the Indus (Sindhu) and rivers to its west (Sarayu and Rasā), in clear continuation of the
earlier westward movement: it refers (in IV.30.18: which,
incidentally, is a Redacted Hymn) to the battle fought by Sahadeva
and Somaka, descendants of Sudās, in an area "beyond
the Sarayu".
In short, the geography of the Rigveda
in the period of the oldest book 6 and in the pre-Rigvedic period [….]
is completely restricted to the area to the east of the Sarasvatī river, in
Haryana and western U.P., which is regarded as "the ancient homeland".
Needless to say, there is not the faintest trace in the Rigveda, even at
this point of time [….], of any extra-territorial memories or
migrations from the totally unknown far western areas.
c) Even in this oldest period [….], there is not
the faintest reference in the Rigveda to any non-Indo-European language
speaking (let alone specifically Dravidian or Austric language speaking) people
or entities, friend or foe, in the Rigvedic area, past or present,
let alone any reference to the "Aryans" having invaded and displaced
them.
d)
Even in this oldest period [….], the rivers in the Rigvedic area have (undeniably or
arguably) purely Indo-European names, with no indication that
there ever were any other names. [This is a powerful indication of the
indigenous nature of the Vedic Aryans. As Witzel points out: “In Europe,
river names were found to reflect the languages spoken before the influx of
Indo-European speaking populations. They are thus older than c. 4500-2500 B.C.
(depending on the date of the spread of Indo-European languages in various
parts of Europe).” (WITZEL 1995a:104-105). But, in sharp contrast, “in
northern India rivers in general have early Sanskrit names from the Vedic
period, and names derived from the daughter languages of Sanskrit later on".
(WITZEL 1995a:105). This is "in spite of the well-known conservatism of
river names. This is especially surprising in the area once occupied by the
Indus Civilisation where one would have expected the survival of older names,
as has been the case in Europe and the Near East. At the least, one would
expect a palimpsest, as found in New England with the name of the state of
Massachussetts next to the Charles river, formerly called the Massachussetts
river, and such new adaptations as Stony Brook, Muddy Creek, Red River, etc.,
next to the adaptations of Indian names such as the Mississippi and the
Missouri”].
In
the face of all this clear data in the Rigveda, which shows that the ancestors
of Sudās were inhabitants of the areas (in Haryana and eastwards) to the east
of the Sarasvati river many generations before Sudās set out on his
"trail of conquest", can these Indological papers, which
continue to tell us fairy-tales about Sudās starting out "from west to east" from areas beyond (to the west
of) the Indus, and
about "the Ten
Kings battle" opening up "the further path eastward
into the Indian core territory, where the Vedic conquerors followed the
carriers of the Indus civilization that had been weakened by tectonic and
hydrological changes", without finding it necessary to produce an iota
of evidence for these claims, be regarded as anything but lies and trash?
III. Common Sense
and Logic
This
is the state of Western Indology today: the prestigious western Universities,
and their respected "scholars", churning out Indological paper after
paper full of blatant and brazen trash, completely ignoring the massive
historical data in the Rigveda, and retailing centuries-old (and totally
discredited) fairy tales about "Vedic conquerors" conquering
"non-Aryan
indigenous tribes settled on the banks of the Ravi river and belonging to a
'hydraulic' civilization [….] - in other other words: the Indus civilization". To
buttress his fairy-tale, Stuhrmann goes a few steps ahead of his colleagues and
cites "archeological" evidence about "an unusual high
percentage of men, women and children killed by force that are found in the
cemeteries and burial pits of late phase Harappa (ch 6)". So he combines
his textual "evidence" with archeological "evidence" about
Sudās' conquest of "the non-Aryan Indus civilization"!
While
books and research papers (such as mine) failing to uphold the "Aryan
Invasion Theory" are completely ignored by the western Indologists, such
trash is accepted as academically sound scholarship, published in
"peer-reviewed" journals, given doctorates, and quoted as gospel
truth (or veda-vākya) by official academic circles all over the world,
including or especially in the Indian media and academia.
One
reason why this happens is because Indian/Hindu/anti-AIT scholarship is divided
into umpteen political slots, and the writers and scholars are more busy
pandering to their own religious biases, beliefs and prejudices (and those of
their devout fans and admirers), or fighting their own personal ego-battles,
than they are interested in countering Falsehood with Truth. In fact, the Truth
pinches these scholars more than the Lies of the western Indologists. So, until
all anti-AIT scholars, and all those sympathetic to the Indian side in the
various "clashes of civilization" taking place in India, decide to
keep aside their personal biases and prejudices, and adopt a united stance in
support of what is True, Sensible and Logical, and in keeping with the facts
and data, this supremacy of Lies and Falsehood will continue to prevail in the
field of Indological Studies.
BIBLIOGRAPHY.
WITZEL 1995a: Early Indian
History: Linguistic and Textual Parameters. Witzel. Michael. pp.
85-125 in “The Indo-Aryans of Ancient South Asia”, ed. by George Erdosy. Walter
de Gruyter. Berlin, 1995.
WITZEL 1995b: Rgvedic
History: Poets, Chieftains and Politics. Witzel, Michael. pp. 307-352 in
“The Indo-Aryans of Ancient South Asia”, ed. by George Erdosy. Walter de
Gruyter. Berlin.
Thank you .
ReplyDeleteVery informative.
ReplyDeletenice work.
ReplyDeleteThank you. All we want is the proof for dating of Buddha at 500 BCE. If Wetzel, Thappar, Irfan can provide this sooner than later, much denigration of Hindu history can be avoided and truth can be revealed.
ReplyDeleteMr. Talageri....grateful to you for continuing to fight the might of the cabal of Western Indologists. I am surprised that 7 decades after our freedom from the British, our establishment is still totally committed to the Western narrative. All we seek is a level and fair playing ground wherein WIs are forced to counter your arguments in peer reviews journals that are unbiased and have a significant representation from the Indic side which believes that the AIT has been the biggest hoax created and perpetuated by the WIs to justify their political leanings and vision for South Asia
ReplyDeleteSwadesi indology versus western indology. western indology is fraud.
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ReplyDeleteThank you Shrikant ji for a scholarly, factual and sensible rebuttal of a range of vicious, agenda-driven manufactured lies.
ReplyDeleteI hope this article is read by a wide range of Indology scholars as well as the lay public so that they see for themselves how distortion is being upheld as 'academic' research.
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Very good rebuttal. It is time this so-called Indologists are exposed. Thank you.
ReplyDeleteMany thanks to you, Sir, for your continuous efforts to show how utterly baseless western Indology is nowadays. Kindly carry on the good work for sake of the future generations of India.
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ReplyDeleteThank you Sir. Very Beautifully written...explained...Countered. साधुवाद!
ReplyDeleteDear Mr Talgeri, I remember reading in one of your books about whether Vasistha or Visvamitra was the earlier Guru for Sudas and his family. This would have a bearing on whether the battle of ten kings or the battle on the Satlaj was earlier. Could you please refer me to the relevant book.
ReplyDeleteVisvamitra was the earlier guru of Sudas, and this is agreed upon by everyone, which makes the reference to the Vipas and Sutudri in Book 3 earlier than the references to the Parusni and Asikni in Book 7. In fact, it is because he is replaced by Vasishtha that Witzel (among many other scholars) have unilaterally decided that Visvamitra was on the side of the enemies of Sudas in the Battle of the Ten kings out of resentment and sense of revenge. Actually, however, Visvamitra is totally absent from this battle, and his role as an enemy of Sudas in this battle is purely a figment of the scholarly imagination of these scholars.
DeleteIn fact, Witzel gets so confused by his own mixed-up fairy-tales, that he ends up writing any nonsense. I quote the following from my third book (The Rigveda and the Avesta - The Final Evidence, p.52-53:
DeleteAt this point, it may be noted that Witzel, like all liars, gets so entangled in his own lies and fairy tales that he loses track of what he is writing: On the one hand, he writes: “the other tribes began to unite against them [the Bharatas], either due to the intrigues of the ousted Viśvāmitra, or simply because of intratribal resentment. This led to the famous battle of the ten kings which, however, is not mentioned by Book 3, as Viśvāmitra (its author) had by then been displaced by Vasiṣṭha as the purohita of Sudās. There is even the possibility that it was Viśvāmitra who ― in an act of revenge ― forged the alliance against his former chief. Whatever the reason, however, the alliance failed and the Pūrus were completely ousted (7.8.4 etc) along with Viśvāmitra (=Bhṛgu, 7.18.6)” (WITZEL 1995b:334). This fairy tale becomes a staple in all of Witzel’s versions of the events in subsequent papers and articles.
But, in the very same above article, on the previous page, Witzel writes about Book 3: “This book was composed by Viśvāmitra (and his clan), the purohita of Sudās until his ouster by Vasiṣtha, the reputed author of much of book 7. It praises the dominant position of the Bharata in an area more or less corresponding with the later Kurukṣetra, culminating in an aśvamedha by Sudās to commemorate his triumphs in a late hymn ([footnote] i.e. 3.53.11-14)” (WITZEL 1995b:333). In his critique of my earlier book, Witzel elaborates this further: “RV 3.53.14 clearly speaks of Kurukṣetra and surroundings, some 750 miles to the west. It refers to the performance of the aśvamedha (3.53.11) after Sudās’ victory in the Ten Kings’ Battle (7.18: cf. Witzel 1995)” (WITZEL 2001b:§8).
In other words, according to Witzel’s account of the events, Vasiṣṭha ousted Viśvāmitra as the priest of Sudās; and, in revenge, Viśvāmitra led a coalition of tribes in the Ten Kings’ Battle against Sudās and Vasiṣṭha, and was “completely” defeated. And, later, the descendants of Viśvāmitra composed a hymn, III.53, in “praise” and glorification of the Bharatas, in fond memory of the aśvamedha organized to “commemorate” and celebrate the “triumphs” of Sudās and Vasiṣṭha and the defeat and humiliation of their own ancestor Viśvāmitra!
In other words Struhmann contradicts Witzel when he refers to Visvamitra as the "new Purohita" after Vasistha and dates the encounter on the Satlaj after the Battle of the Ten Kings! Witzel presents his translation of Struhmann without discussing this disagreement. There is honor among liars as well as thieves!
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ReplyDeleteYou should check this article "Michael Witzel’s Concoction of Absence of Willow from India" by Premendra Priyadarshi
https://priyadarshi101.wordpress.com/2013/05/27/michael-witzel-and-the-indian-willow/
The issue is not one of specific events, dates or conclusions; the issue is one of attitude. Western and Western-trained Indologists act like 18th century US slaveowners, presuming the sole power of truth and God on their side and treating the "niggers" - meaning anyone from India who disagrees with them -- as useless pieces of trash. Their first and only, one-size-fits-all response is to call them a dirty Hindu fascist, which amounts to "nigger" in the 18th century.
ReplyDeleteIt is impossible for Indian studies to make real progress until the slaves are emancipated and given a seat at the table. In engineering and medicine, Indians have a seat at the table, and they're running Google and Microsoft and managing giant hospital systems. In the opinionated disciplines based on hot air from privileged orifices, Indians don't have a voice, and the disciplines are autoerotic. Turning the auteroticism into knowledge requires, to say it again, emancipation of the contemptible brown Hindoos.