Sadhguru as a Proponent of the Aryan Invasion Theory
Shrikant G. Talageri
Sadhguru is an Indian guru (a sadhguru in fact) who has a massive fan following. I have seen videos of his, where he deals very effectively with anti-Hindu activists (leftists, etc.), which are truly inspiring. Seeing those videos I always felt a thrill of pleasure, and felt that this man certainly knows how to deal with anti-Hindus and can deal with them through the use of uncompromisingly sharp and unrelenting logic.
Of course, from certain other videos (where, for example, he fervently glorifies the alleged acts of Rāma in banishing a pregnant Sītā to the jungle because she is, as he well knows, falsely accused of being "impure"; or in slaying a "śudra" named Śambuka for the "sin" of performing tapasyā in spite of being a "śudra"; or in making a dog-killing brahmin the head-priest of a monastery because a brahmin can never be punished by a king for his crimes), it is clear that his logic goes into somnolent slumber when it comes to evaluating the black acts of Hindu heroes—even when those black acts are the motivated inventions of latter-day vested interests in ancient India rather than the actual recorded acts of Rāma. But while in those cases he seems to be adopting a fundamentalist extreme-right attitude towards issues, it is surprising that the pendulum can swing to the other extreme where he can also mortgage his intelligence in defence of extreme-left ideas:
I came across this video (titled "sadhguru vs subrahmanian swamy on aryan invasion" uploaded on youtube on 11th May 2020, although most of the video has little to do with subrahmanian swamy who only appears towards the end in a separate and short speech!), and the entire idea in my mind about his sharp and unrelenting logic collapsed like a house of cards:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km2xX_97wkw
After seeing this video I understood once more (i.e. obviously not for the first time, but it always strikes me each time as if it is a new discovery) that a majority of Hindus (though it may be I am being insular here: probably this applies to humans as a whole and not just Hindus) are never able to think logically when it comes to such issues: they simply refuse to think or to consider anything beyond the fairy tales and ajji-kathas (as we call them in Konkani/ Kannada) that they learnt or heard in childhood. This kind of discourse from a village elder sitting among his small circle of local admirers and spouting his wisdom would be quite all right, but a Hindu guru—and one who has shown his intellectual brilliance on other occasions—with a following of possibly millions, saying things of this intellectual and knowledge level is mind-numbing and depressing.
The surprising thing is that Sadhguru does not even seem to have an idea about what the whole "Aryan-Dravidian" linguistic dichotomy is all about. He tells us, correctly, that the Tamil language "has no basis in Sanskrit". But then he messes it up by telling us that Tamil is the only language which has no basis in Sanskrit: meaning that the other Dravidian languages (Malayalam, Kannada, Telugu, etc.) do? And then he compounds this ignorance by specifically telling us that "every other language from here to Europe is based on the Sanskrit language", meaning not only all the Indo-European languages (which is bad enough) but also presumably the Semitic, Uralo-Altaic and Caucasian languages!!
This linguistic ignorance is highlighted once again when he specifically tells us that the rākṣasas, Rāvaṇa, Hanumanta, etc. were all Tamilians. Hanuman, in fact is a "Tamil superhero" who is worshipped by all Indians (although the "Aryans" showed their contempt for the "Dravidians" in general by remembering them as monkeys). The fact that all these words (and all others associated with them, including Vālī, Sugrīva, Kumbhakarṇa, Vibhīṣaṇa, Meghnāda/Indrajit, etc.) are all purely Sanskrit names and not Tamil ones is of no consequence in branding them all as Tamilians.
Further, the Aryan theory came into being only when the European scholars discovered that most of the languages of northern India, Iran, Central Asia and Europe were all related to each other, and the name "Aryan" (later "Indo-European") was given to this language family, and linguistic studies led to the theory that all the twelve branches of these languages separated from each other around 3500 BCE, after which (as per the AIT) the "Aryans" migrated eastwards from the Steppes and entered India around 3500 years ago (i.e. in 1500 BCE).
But Sadhguru so blindly accepts the essence of this theory (that "Aryans" came into India from "outside"), without understanding the actual details of the theory, that he starts out by telling us that "the first Aryan invasions happened somewhere between 8500-9000 years ago" (i.e. in 7000-6500 BCE!), and that "they started coming from across the Himalayas to the Indian subcontinent" (from Tibet?). As he then derives all the languages "from here to Europe" as being derived from Sanskrit, then, presumably they all migrated from India after that! Although he does not specifically say this, it is clear that Sadhguru's weird AIT-cum-OIT version is derived from the writings of FE Pargiter (see TALAGERI 2000:384-397).
Among the gems narrated by Sadhguru:
1. The "Aryans lived in harsh lands" (before invading India), and were "rough men" who were "nomadic in nature". They looked up at the sky all the time (the indigenous Tamil people never looked up at the sky: they only "looked down at the earth", which is why they developed agriculture, huge cities, sciences, etc—except apparently the art of sea-travel (to which they were probably introduced by the "Aryan" hordes coming from across the Himalayas)!
The Aryans first came as "bandits", then they became "settlers", and finally "conquerors". In the course of 2000 years they gradually "pushed them south and pushed them south" (the indigenous Tamil people were pushed down into the South). Which is why, as the two peoples intermingled, we find a range of shades of skin color from the dark (in the south) to the fair (in the north).
The Mahabharata is replete with stories of the atrocities of the "Aryans" against the "Dravidians" (killings and burnings which we must interpret as racial events, and must not wrongly interpret as examples of social exploitation, by the rich and powerful, of the poor and helpless sections of society).
Inspite of the intermingling, certain "Tamil diehards" retained the memories of the Aryan atrocities, and the present Dravida Kazhagam diehards are carrying on this ancient tradition of reaction.
2. But then there are the extreme-right views to balance the extreme-left ones:
There were huge and complex "settled cities" in India as far back as 12000 to 13000 years ago, and in these cities gold and diamonds were so abundant that they were found lying around everywhere.
In fact, we even find "properly manufactured coins with images of Śiva which are 12000 years old"!
It is unfortunate that there is so little understanding of the "Aryan" problem even among the most vocal and eloquent of our own Hindu gurus and spiritual leaders, and, worse, that this does not prevent them from spouting wisdom on the subject to influence their blindly trusting and gullible followers.
Jaggi vasudev is a Telugu Brahmin born and brought up in Mysore and based in Coimbatore TN.
ReplyDeleteIt is sad that popular persons like him spreading fake Aryan Invasion Nonsense and getting away with it. Hoping for a debate on this subject by jaggi and Talageri ji.
Namaste Talageri Ji 🙏🏻
ReplyDeleteI saw that video long ago and I felt bad as much as you did.
It is unfortunate that our spiritual Gurus are promoting western theories undermining efforts and works of our own indologists like you who have spent years in debunking western propaganda.
When I watched that video, it irritated me a little bit.
ReplyDeleteIts one of those times when Gurus think that they have to have opinion for everything, however uninformed it is.
Even a while ago he made a video explaining that our Solar System orbits a large star in our Galaxy, and apparently when we are close to that there is an upsurge of energy which makes people more meditative in nature, thats what he defined as Satya yuga and in obvious logic the farthest parts of the orbit from the star is Kaliyuga. I studied astronomy subjects in University and I know this was a wrong theory because there is no such large star that our solar system orbits. He still occassionaly make references that we are approaching the end of Dwaprayuga, sometime I think that perhaps he is just handing over some hope for a better world to his audience/followers, who believe that Satyayuga is somehow a time of better people/sages.
Anyway, this is the traditional way these Gurus work I suppose, although I still like Sadhguru and his contribution to Hinduism and our Civilisation.
But a person like him could infact have put forward a better view of OIT and evidently he had no idea what he was talking about.
Personally I gave him a pass on that one. I think there is potential that he will make FreeHinduTemples movement a large enough that it could knock the doors of our ideologically displaced so called “Hindutva” government, which doesn’t do anything particularly for the Hindus despite being blamed with having a radical Hindu ideology. I certainly am not happy with Modi at all. I am not convinced that they are going to make any positive change to the history books but will be blamed again for fake Hindutva of BJP.
Anyway, a continuous effort has to be made to spread our point of view on OIT with a hope that one day our education system starts to teach our own indigenous narrative. It reminds me of a famous Punjabi poet Avtar Singh Sandhu aka “Pāsh” and here are some lines of his awesome poem
सबसे खतरनाक होता है मुर्दा शांति से भर जाना
तड़प का न होना सब सहन कर जाना
Here is his full poem
https://www.thelallantop.com/bherant/ek-kavita-roz-sabse-khatarnaak-hota-hai-humare-sapnon-ka-mar-jana-by-pash/
I don't know what Jaggi Vasudev said. But Our Solar system revolves around the Singularity called Sagittarius A*. Which is a black hole. Just google it
DeleteThere's a difference between a star and a black hole. Black holes are what *some* stars (i.e. supernovas) end up as, and that too after they've burnt out the 'fuel' in their core. So, I'm afraid Mr. Chawla is correct.
DeleteWell called out, sir. Respect for Sadhguru where respect is due, but once we start paying attention- he really does play fancy and free with a lot of things.
ReplyDeleteGoing back to the elephant in in the PIE theory, the alternative theory is that the word ibha was borrowed by the semetoc people who woulf pronounce it as el-ibha, with el being the article like arabic al. Then the greeks borrowed this word as elepha which in later languages changed to elephant, which is how we know it today. This is similar to how spanish borrows arabic words with the al suffix. For example cotton in arabic is al-qutun, which spanish borrowed as algodon.
ReplyDeleteI don't know why you are commenting on my elephant article here as a comment to this article. Especially as it is clear you have not read that article properly.
DeleteThere I clearly wrote: "The l-element in the second form is often tentatively attributed to a borrowing from West Asia of a West Asian word with a prefixed definite article al- as in Arabic.....Among many other things, this definite article al- is found only in Arabic: Late Egyptian/Coptic had pi-, Hebrew had ha-, Amharic and Akkadian had no definite article at all, Aramaic had a suffixed -a'/-ā, and South Arabian dialects (in Yemen, etc.) had a suffixed -n/-hn. And the Arabic al- is found only after the 5th century BCE!"
Since this article is rescent I figured you would see the comment to respond faster. I am surprised Sadguru is partial to the Aryan Invasion theory.
DeleteAlso The Bhrgus and their association with fire can come from the fact that bhrgu could be from PIE bhel, meainging to shine, and is likley related Greek phhelgathon.
*phlegethon.
Delete.........although the "Aryans" showed their contempt for the "Dravidians" in general by remembering them as monkeys............
ReplyDeleteNot a very convincing argument - esp. considering the fact that "monkeys" are described in most positive terms and given divine lineage by the same "Aryan" poet.
Shrikantmaam, this just shows how people with good intentions (I'm assuming here that Sadhguru is indeed a person with absolutely benevolent intentions) can make contributions which are counterproductive. Interestingly, a counter example also exists - Max Mueller's translations were motivated at least in part by his desire to undermine Hinduism and promote Christianity (as well as other British colonial projects in India), but the quality of his translations are indeed really good quality, and they helped Indological research massively.
ReplyDeleteBTW, regarding this last point, I would like to make a comment:
The usual suspects gainsay the OIT and resort to all kinds of cheap and disgusting slander, gaslighting, etc. etc. against the OIT, claiming that it is motivated by 'Hindutva/Fascism/Hindu supremacism/Hindu bigotry', and so on, implying that these are inherently evil, and thus the OIT should be rejected. I personally think this is a good example of really sloppy logic, because even if we were to agree with these claims that Hindutva is evil and it is the motivation behind the OIT, that does not necessarily negate the validity of the OIT itself or disprove it. A theory or idea ought to be assessed and treated on its own terms, and while looking at the motivations behind a particular statement/theory/idea/policy as well as the overall nature of the person(s) originating it and/or promoting it is mostly a good idea, it is still just a rule of thumb, and not an absolute in itself. Thus, even if our enemies' allegations about your motivations and character were correct, that still doesn't change the fact that the OIT is correct and the AIT/AMT/IE 'Cloud-land' are wrong. Really, if we go by this logic, we may as well stop doing statistics, since Sir RA Fisher's statistical contributions were made by him partly out of a desire to promote his beliefs on race and eugenics, which were indeed problematic (it is a different matter that just like the tools and concepts in statistics pioneered by Fisher ended up being used in studies which effectively debunked the assumptions behind Fisher's problematic beliefs on race and eugenics, similarly the immense contributions to Indology made by Indologists with the objective of strengthening the AIT were used by you in your work to prove the OIT as correct and the AIT/AMT/IE 'Cloud-land' as hogwash).
Lost respect for sadhguru ages ago, when I found out what he did to his wife. Another osho, but more sophisticated.
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ReplyDeleteNew article shows that indo-europian language and horses have no connection with europe.
https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/en/news/2021/09/genetics-shows-that-indo-european-did-not-arrive-in-europe-on-horseback
new art
Sir
ReplyDeleteAnother article which shows that language and genetics have no connection at all.
Please refer this sir
This linguistic persistence, combined with a genetic turnover, challenges simple assumptions that genes equal languages,” says study co-author David Caramelli
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/dna-analysis-shows-early-etruscans-were-homegrown-180978772/
That is not true of the pre-historic era. Language, here vocabulary can disperse due to human migration. In later ( post pre-historic) days trading activities could have dispersed many words. But cognates on some basic words will indicate closeness of the ancestral language at some point. This is pre-grammer i.e before grammatical stucture evolved.
Deletehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_language
For Etruscan I can already see cognates to old tamizh roots. apa for father - obvious as this root is a common root. arim - monkey - same word generally meaning animal ( for lion also ) also means Monkey as well. pui - wife - this is rooted in tamizh meaning purai - hollowness - also a root word for female genital.clan - son - kulam is a tamizh origin word. neri-water - nIR with nedil(long vowel) means movement as opposed to nil - stop - still. qutum - kuTam - vessel. mech- people - makkal in tamizh. tin - day - dina in samskrtam - but tee- is fire in tamizh from which even the tisai (diSa) - direction is derived as Sun is the direction marker.
Dravidian languages due to regional closeness obviously share grammatical base. But in terms of vocabulary tamizh is the language that preserves the root. So the word dravidian obfuscates that. Tamizh people are vying to reclaim their narrative, as the Dravidian label they feel has been misused to rule over them. Same argument Sanskritists make on the British and German Indologists and philologists. Why Dravidian? Call it tamizh! sadguru only points out that all the other languages have vocabulary heavily borrowed from classical Sanskrit. Where tamizh has very old usage dating to sangam era - tamizh owns the root for those words not Indo - Aryan or Sanskrit. Tamizh gave it to PIE. I have posted comments on many a blog of Shrikanthji on various basic roots from tamizh.
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