Saturday, 28 December 2024

“Miracles” and “Prophecies”: The Two Most Fraudulent of the Silly Jokes in the Christian Evangelist Repertoire

 

“Miracles” and “Prophecies”: The Two Most Fraudulent of the Silly Jokes in the Christian Evangelist Repertoire

 Shrikant G. Talageri

 

The Madhya Pradesh state government (a Congress party government) had appointed the Niyogi Committee under M. Bhavani Shankar Niyogi (a retired judge of the Nagpur High Court) in the early fifties, which submitted its report in 1954, which was published by the Madhya Pradesh government in 1956. It was later published in full by Sita Ram Goel in 1998: “Vindicated By Time: The Niyogi Committee Report on Christian Missionary Activities”, Voice of India, New Delhi, 1998. The report (long and detailed as it is) is not to be recommended for light reading, but it is a super-classic document when it comes to meticulously recording for posterity the fraudulent tactics by which Christian Evangelists, backed by massive billion-dollar funds and overwhelming political support from powerful political elements in Europe and America, carry on conversion activities in India. The history of Evangelist activity in India after 1956, right up to the present date, is no different from that described in the report, and is overtly or covertly backed by every single political party in India, including those who get votes in the name of Hindutva, and by masses of woke or deracinated young Hindus (the latter totally ignorant about, and largely indifferent to, every issue which affects the future of India and Hinduism). This article is not about this massive enterprise (already dealt with in the Niyogi committee Report, and by many other scholars, including Sita Ram Goel, Ram Swaroop, Koenraad Elst and Arun Shourie). It is only about two of the stupidest and most fraudulent tactics of the evangelists though naturally it is not necessary that “stupid” and “fraudulent” necessarily translates to “unsuccessful viz. “miracles” and “prophecies and mainly the latter (after I saw a video on the internet yesterday about “predictions”).

 

About miracles, I still remember the ultra-juvenile and mentally-retarded videos that Evangelist channels on cable TV used to bombard us with in the pre-internet days (now probably youtube channels are doing the same work). For example, one of the channels, appropriately called “Miracle TV” (probably one of many such channels with similar names: check the site “Miracle TV Plus” on google search, and you get its self-description: “Miracle TV+ is an educational television channel with original content. It targets all nations unreached by the Gospel, and all Christians throughout the world. Yes you read it right: “targets”), used to show crowds of hysterically screaming half-witted converts congregating in remote parts of India, watching a “pastor” (or whatever he is called) as he performed “miracles” on stage: an old and “lame” person, face contorted in expressions of unbearable pain, was brought on stage with crutches. As the pastor screamed out entreaties to “Jesus” to cure the man, he hobbled “painfully” around the stage, helped by devoted volunteers. After a few rounds, expressions of ecstasy and pleasure replaced the expressions of agony on his face, and his steps became faster and faster. Before very long, he threw away the crutches and started running faster and faster around the stage with “tears of ecstasy” pouring down his cheeks, to the accompaniment of frenzied exhortations to Jesus from the “pastor” and hysteric screams and wails from the mad crowd, and, hallelujah! He was pronounced completely cured of his affliction by the miraculous grace of “Jesus”!!!

All this was, and is, old hat. This kind of farcical performances must still be going on in full force in every remote corner of India and the world. Mammon and Stupidity rule everywhere after all!

 

But I was (perhaps I had nothing better to do?) inspired to write this article after I saw a video on youtube with my niece yesterday titled “Simpsons Predictions for 2025 are insane”, by a youtube channel “Off the Kirb Ministries” − let me make it clear that I would never have bothered to see the video if I had seen the name of the site before I saw the video itself: we were only watching (as a “time-pass”) to see the two alleged “predictions” made by “the Simpsons” (the “animated sitcom”) about Trump long before the actual events took place (one of which shows Trump descending an escalator waving to his supporters, and the other one shows him standing with the king of Arabia and another world leader with all three standing in a circle with their palms held down on a globe). It was only halfway through that the video unsheathed its fangs and claws and Dr, Jekyll (the “fun and entertainment” man) turned into Mr. Hyde (the propagandist evangelist), which I would have expected beforehand if I had bothered to see the name of the channel.

The information for this video was: “The complete Simpsons timeline of predictions 1990s - 2025. Including predictions about Lady Gaga, Anna Wintour, Miley Cyrus, Saudi Arabia and Ivanka. Please note all of the Chat GPT predictions for the Simpsons and what I asked Chat GPT about the animated series is purely for fun and entertainment”. But while the Evangelist presenter claimed to be showing the Trump “predictions” just for “fun and entertainment”, the second half of the video made it clear that he was as serious as Hell about the other (Biblical) “predictions” he presented no question of any “fun and entertainment” there to buttress his assertions that “The Coming of Jesus Was Predicted”!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSroDpEMsvA

Such Evangelist videos must be a dime a dozen (calculate how many such videos must be being produced on an industrial basis with the Evangelist budgets standing at billions of dollars), and really are not worthy of being written about. But the stupidity and silliness of the whole performance was so gross and mind-blowing that I could not resist this idle and bored whim to “expose” it. So here goes:

 

The presenter of this video, halfway, tells us: “the next part of the video is very important….you see, there is list of predictions, or rather prophecies, that have come true with amazingly precise accuracy… what is, or who is, responsible for these precise prophecies? Well, the word of God is the Bible. Did you know that there are 351 precise prophecies about the Lord Jesus Christ? These prophecies were written thousands of years before Jesus came to earth, and every single one of them came true, so would you like to hear some of them? I am going to share 18 of these prophecies with you, and I think you will be way more impressed with these than with the Simpsons’ predictions”. He then proceeds to give these “prophecies” and their “fulfillment” one by one in two parallel columns. For the fun and entertainment (even if a rather boring kind of fun and entertainment) of the readers, I will present in full all these “prophecies” and their “fulfillment”, as listed by this propagandist, to give an idea of the kind of under-developed or undeveloped brains which can indulge in this kind of sub-juvenile tomfoolery (both in presenting and in swallowing such tripe):

 

1. Prophesied (Genesis 14:18): Then Melchizedek king of Salem brought out bread and wine; he was the priest of God Most High.

Fulfilled (Matthew26:26): And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said: “Take, eat; this is My Body”.

 

2. Prophesied (Exodus 12:46):  In one house it shall be eaten; you shall not carry any of the flesh outside the house, nor shall you break one of its bones.

Fulfilled (John 19:31-36): Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (…) But when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. But one of the soldiers pierced his side with the spear, and immediately blood and water came out.(…) For these things were done that the Scripture should be fulfilled, “Not one of his bones shall be broken”.

 

3. Prophesied (Leviticus 4:12): The whole bull he shall carry outside the camp to a clean place, where the ashes are poured out, and burn it on wood with fire: where the ashes are poured out it will be burnt.

Fulfilled (Matthew 27:33): And when they had come to a place called Golgotha, that is to say, Place of a skull (…)

 

4. Prophesied (Psalm 78:2-4): I will open my mouth in a parable: I will utter dark sayings of old, which we have heard and known, and our fathers have told us. We will not hide them from their children, telling to the generation to come the praises of the Lord, and His strength and His wonderful works that He has done.

Fulfilled (Matthew 13:10-15): And the disciples came and said to him “Why do you speak to them in parables?” (…) Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. And in them, the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, (…).

 

5. Prophesied (2 Samuel 7:12): When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom.

Fulfilled (Matthew 1:1): The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham:

[Among other things, note that Jesus, although supposed to be the Only-Begotten Son of God born to a “virgin”, has a full-fledged human paternal genealogy].

 

6. Prophesied (Job 19:23-27): Oh, that my words were written! Oh, that they were inscribed in a book! That they were engraved on a rock with an iron pen and lead, forever! For I know that my Redeemer lives, and He shall stand at last on the earth; and after my skin is destroyed, this I know, that I shall see God, Whom I shall see for myself, and my eyes shall behold, and not another.  How my heart yearns within me!

Fulfilled (Luke 24:6-7): He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, saying “The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again”.

 

7. Prophesied (Psalm 16:4): Those who run after other gods will suffer more and more. I will not pour out libations of blood for such gods or take up their names on my lips.

Fulfilled (John 19:34): But one of the soldiers pierced his side with spears, and immediately blood and water came out.

 

8. Prophesied (Psalm 22.15): My strength is dried up like a potsherd, and my tongue clings to my jaws; you have brought me to the dust of death.

Fulfilled (John 19:28): After this Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said “I thirst”.  

 

9. Prophesied (Psalm 22.16): For dogs have surrounded me; the congregation of the wicked has enclosed me. They pierced my hands and my feet;

Fulfilled (John 19:34,37): But one of the soldiers pierced his side with spears, and immediately blood and water came out. And again another Scripture says, “They shall look on him whom they pierced”.

 

10. Prophesied (Psalm 22.18): They divide my garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots.

Fulfilled (John 19:23-34): Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments and made four parts and made for each soldier a part, and also the tunic. Now the tunic was without seam, woven from the top in one piece. They said therefore among themselves, “Let us not tear it but cast lots for it, whose it shall be,” that the Scripture might be fulfilled which says “They divided my garments among them, and for my clothing they cast lots”.

 

11. Prophesied (Psalm 38.11): My friends and companions avoid me because of my wounds, my neighbours stay far away.    

Fulfilled (Luke 23:49): But all his acquaintances, and the women who followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things.

 

12. Prophesied (Psalm 55.12-14): For it is not an enemy that approaches me: then I could bear it. Nor is it one who hates me who has exalted himself against me; Then I could hide from him. But it was you, a man my equal,my companion and my acquaintance. We took sweet counsel together, and walked to the house of God in the throng.

Fulfilled (John 13:18): I do not speak concerning all of you. I know whom I have chosen; but that the Scripture may be fulfilled, “He who eats bread with me has lifted up his heel against me”.

 

13. Prophesied (Psalm 69:21): They also gave me gall for my food, and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.

Fulfilled (John 13:18): They gave him sour wine mingled with gall to drink. But when he had tasted it, he would not drink.

 

14. Prophesied (Isaiah 53:5): But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon him, and by his stripes we are healed.

Fulfilled (2 Corinthians 5:21): For he made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in him.

 

15. Prophesied (Isaiah 53:9): And they made His grave with the wicked, but with the rich at his death, because he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth.

Fulfilled (Matthew 27:57): Now when evening had come, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus.

 

16. Prophesied (Zechariah 9:9): Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout, O daughter of Jerusalem! behold, your king is coming to you; he is just and having salvation. Lowly and riding on a donkey, a colt, the foal of a donkey.

Fulfilled (John 12:1): The next day a great multitude that had come to the feast, when they heard that Jesus was coming to Jerusalem, took branches of palm trees and went out to meet him (…) Then Jesus, when he had found a young donkey, sat on it (…)

 

17. Prophesied (Micah 5:2): But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of you shall come forth to me the one to be ruler in Israel, whose goings forth are from old, from everlasting.

Fulfilled (Matthew 2:1-6): Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the East came to Jerusalem, saying, “Where is He who has been born King of the Jews? For we have seen his star in the East and have come to worship Him” (…)

[Incidentally, note that while Matthew and Luke say Jesus was born in Bethlehem in “fulfillment” of this “prophecy”, John (7:41-2) and Mark (1:9; 6:1) apparently assume that his birthplace was in Nazareth, at the opposite end of the country from Bethlehem].

 

18. Prophesied (Zechariah 11:12-13): Then I said to them, “If it is agreeable to you, give me my wages; and if not, refrain”. So they weighed out for my wages thirty pieces of silver. And the Lord said to me, “Throw it to the potter” – that princely sum that they set on me. So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the Lord for the potter.     

Fulfilled (Matthew 26:14-15): Then one of the twelve, called Judas Iscariot, went to the chief priests and said, “What are you willing to give me if I deliver Him to you?”  and they counted out to him thirty pieces of silver.

After this, the presenter tells us: “All of these prophecies came true precisely and incredibly”!!!.


Note what kind of “logic” or “reasoning” all this entails:

1. The idea of “prophecy” and “fulfillment” here is so half-witted that, in every case, some stray sentence in some book of the Hebrew Old Testament becomes a “prophecy”, and another stray sentence (with no relevance in meaning or sense to the earlier sentence or its specific and concrete context) in some book of the Christian New Testament becomes “proof” of the “fulfillment” of that “prophecy”. It is so childish that a sentence “and he shall drink water” or “he shall ascend the steps” (or even a present-tense or first-person reference to someone drinking water or ascending steps) in some Old Testament book becomes a “prophecy”, and a sentence “he drank water” or “he ascended the steps” in a book of the New Testament becomes a divine piece of “proof” of the “fulfillment” of this “prophecy” about Jesus (a person totally unknown to the Hebrew Old Testament, including to the composers of the verses cited)!

2. Further, both the Old Testament and the New Testament are parts of the same Christian collection in a book known as the Bible! If “prophecies” and reports of their “fulfillment”, both occurring in different parts of the same book, can be considered “proof” of the veracity and accuracy of the “prophecies”, then at this rate, every single religious, quasi-religious and fairy-tale book in every language and culture of the world will be a miracle book found full to the brim with “prophecies” and reports of their “fulfillment”!

3. Even further, while alleged “prophecies” and their described “fulfillment” in most texts of the world are merely parts of the narratives and stories that are sought to be told in those texts (or fairy tales), the “prophecies” in the Old Testament and their alleged “fulfillment” in the New Testament form part of a shadier deal. It must be remembered that the Old Testament (TaNaKha to the Jews) was the canonical book of the Jews who were perpetually expecting and awaiting the arrival of their Deliverer or “Messiah” who would come and deliver them from all their enemies. And the New Testament was the canonical book of the followers of a new religion, Christianity, which, in its earlier stages (including the stage of compilation of the canonical text of the New Testament) sought to have their (fictional or real) founder, Jesus, accepted by the Jews as the Deliverer or Messiah promised to them in their book the TaNaKha (the Christian Old Testament).

Hence, the entire process of composition of the books of the New Testament had this ulterior motive: to find “evidence” in the Old Testament for the claim that Jesus was indeed the “Messiah” being expected by the Jews by manufacturing “fulfillments” of Old Testamentprophecies” in New Testament verses. This can be seen expressly stated even in some of the small collection of New Testament verses quoted in the above instances where silly events are declared to have taken place only to “fulfill” some stray or pedestrian statements in some Old Testament verses: i.e. the above instances nos. 2, 4, 8, 10, 12.

In one well-known and much-discussed case, the desire to manufacture “fulfillments” in the life of Jesus of Old Testamentprophecies” led to the fabrication of one of the most fundamental dogmas of Christianity, the dogma of Virgin Mary: that Jesus was born of a “virgin” (i.e. that he was conceived without impregnation through any sexual act). Actually, of the four gospels of Mark, Matthew, Luke and John, only Matthew and Luke resort to this “virgin” story (apparently such a fundamental aspect about the birth of Jesus was totally unknown to, or not considered important by, Mark and John!) And, of the two, it is Matthew (Matthew 1:23: “Behold a virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel”) who quotes the alleged citation from the Old Testament book of Isaiah (Isaiah 7:14).

The totally groundless nature of the “prophecy” was revealed by a direct examination of the specific Old Testamentprophecy” which was apparently “fulfilled” by the alleged “virgin birth” of Jesus:

1. The original Hebrew verse (Isaiah 7:14) by Isaiah had the word almah meaning simply “young woman”, and not betulah meaning “virgin”: when Isaiah wanted to describe a “virgin” elsewhere, he specifically used the words betulah (“virgin”) and betulim (“virginity”). But the translation of this Hebrew word into the Greek version of the Old Testament (called the Septuagint) wrongly used the word parthenos (Greek for “virgin”), and Matthew used this wrong Greek translation as the basis for his citation of a “prophecy” and fabrication of its “fulfillment”.

2. Further, the original verse was not referring to a future event involving the expected Messiah, but to an event of comtemporaneous importance to Isaiah (at a point of time, more than seven centuries before Jesus), the birth of a child to the wife of the Hebrew king Ahaz.

For a full perspective on this, see the following:

https://bam.sites.uiowa.edu/articles/septuagint-prophecy-virgin-birth

For a much more in-detail study of the fraudulent claims of Christianity, nothing can beat Michael Arnheim’s book “Is Christianity True?” published by Gerald Duckworth & Co. Ltd., London, 1984.

 

But wait a minute: are stories of “miracles” and “prophecies” restricted to Christianity? Obviously not! Every single religion and cult, and indeed very many more secular (not in the Indian sense of “anti-Hindu” but in the original sense of “non-religious”) institutions and fields of human activity (especially, but not exclusively, politics) abound in these phenomena involving “miracles” and “prophecies” and “unquestioning faith” and many more and more serious human foibles. In truth, religious people (or indeed any people) should be free to believe in their versions of “miracles” and “prophecies” and “unquestioning faith” if it makes then happy, so long as they are not a threat to anyone else.

What distinguishes the Christian version of “miracles” and “prophecies”, and makes it at least one part of a massive problem, is that it is part of a powerful cancerous system backed by multi-billion-dollar budgets and sinister political motivations and vested interests, And this cancerous system (along with other similar hate ideologies masquerading as religions or as social panaceas for all the ills of the world) should be exposed and understood for what it is.    

 

  


Thursday, 26 December 2024

Is It Just an “Assumption” that Book 10 of the Rigveda is the Latest Book?

 

Is It Just an “Assumption” that Book 10 of the Rigveda is the Latest Book?

Shrikant G. Talageri

 

There is a twitter handle named “Vedic Wisdom.. @VedicWisdom1, who, I believe, as the title suggests, tweets about Vedic literature or the wisdom found in that literature. He was brought to my notice because, in answer to a question about whether “varna was not there in Rigveda” because references to the varṇas are found only once in one hymn in the latest Book 10, he replies: “It’s wrong, 10th Maṇḍala  of Rigveda is not a ‘Later Book’. It is just an assumption”. [

[Incidentally, after that he was also apparently asked, in the same thread, the following question: “Lol. Do you think Indians are literally zero in linguistics as Dr. Koenraad Elst and Shrikant Talageri suspect?” As he does not appear to have replied to this question, and, even more to the point, as I have never made such a ridiculous and sweeping assertion about “Indians” being “zero in linguistics”, I will not bother to go into that issue even if he replies to it].

Is it really just an “assumption” that Book 10 is a “Later Book’?

I do not have any detailed idea of exactly how great an authority this tweeter is in the matter of Vedic Wisdom (although I have seen a quote from the Manusmriti by this same tweeter earlier, in response to Rahul Gandhi’s claim that “In Manusmriti it is written that ‘rapists must be allowed to roam free, and rape victims should be punished”, by quoting a verse from the Manusmriti 8.364:  “One who violates an unwilling girl deserves immediate death penalty”, so I assume he has a good knowledge of various texts and is able to locate relevant quotations from those texts),

But conclusions about the history and the chronology of the Rigveda or of any Rigvedic text are not part of any study of Vedic Wisdom but of the analysis of Vedic History and Chronology, which is a totally different field of study from the study of Wisdom and Philosophy. So from-the-pulpit declarations about the chronology of any text, or portion of any text, are not justified by however high a degree of knowledge anyone may have of Vedic wisdom.

 

I have shown, in my article “Final Version of the Chronological Gulf Between the Old Rigveda and the New Rigveda”, that quite apart from the fundamental division into an Old Rigveda and a New Rigveda, Book 10, although it belongs to the New Rigveda along with Books 5,1,8 and 9, is definitely, in many ways later than the entire earlier bulk of the rest of the Rigveda (Books 2-9, and almost the whole of Book 1 as well), the composition of Book 10 continued even after around 2000 BCE (when the earlier nine Books were almost frozen) till around 1500 BCE or so, when the entire text was frozen to more-or-less its present status.

Thus, Book 5 is a New Book (along with Books 1,8,9,10), but it is older than the other four New Books to an extent that it is classifiable also as a Family Book along with the five Old Books (6,3,7,4,2) as distinct from the four non-Family Books (1,8,9,10),

Likewise, Book 10 is a New Book (along with Books 5,1,8,9), but it is later then all the other nine Books to an extent that all the nine form one bloc distinct from Book 10.

 

For good measure, to show the above point (about the chronological distinction between the Old Rigveda and the New Rigveda) in the perspective of solid Rigvedic data, my above article lists out in merciless detail a long list of new words which occur in the various books as follows:


OLD BOOKS 6,3,7,4,2: (280  Hymns, 2368 verses)

Book 6: 0 new words, 0 new composer names, 0 new meters.

Book 3: 0 new words, 0 new composer names, 0 new meters.

Book 7: 0 new words, 0 new composer names, 0 new meters.

Book 4: 0 new words, 0 new composer names, 0 new meters.

Book 2: 0 new words, 0 new composer names, 0 new meters.

 

REDACTED HYMNS IN OLD  BOOKS 6,3,7,4,2: (62  Hymns, 873 verses)

Book 6: 233 new words in 16/16 hymns and 160 verses, 0 new composer names, 2 new meters.

Book 3: 148 new words in 14/14 hymns and 100 verses, 1 new composer name, 0 new meters.

Book 7: 206 new words in 16/17 hymns and 121 verses, 0 new composer names, 3 new meters.

Book 4: 91 new words in 11/11 hymns and 66 verses, 0 new composer names, 0 new meters.

Book 2: 46 new words in 4/4 hymns and 23 verses. 0 new composer names, 1 new meter.

 

NEW BOOKS 1,5,8,9,10:  (686 Hymns, 7311 verses)

Book 1: 1750 new words in 190/191 hymns and 1112 verses, 61 new composer names, 24 new meters.

Book 5: 685 new words in 87/87 hymns and 434 verses, 39 new composer names, 20 new meters.

Book 8: 1505 new words in 102/103 hymns and 928 verses, 50 new composer names, 26 new meters.

Book 9: 966 new words in 114/114 hymns and 658 verses, 61 new composer names, 7 new meters.

Book 10: 1922 new words in 191/191 hymns and 1124 verses, 89 new composer names, 19 new meters.


To return to the specific subject of Book 10, let me repeat quotations from an earlier scholar, B.K.Ghosh, in the Bharatiya Vidya Bhavan volume “History and Culture of the Indian people, Vol.1, The Vedic Age”, 1951/1957, edited by R.C.Majumdar:

On the whole, however, the language of the first nine Maṇḍalas must be regarded as homogeneous [….] With the tenth Maṇḍala it is a different story. The language here has definitely changed. The difference in language between the earlier Maṇḍalas and tenth would have appeared in its true proportions if the texts concerned had been written down at the time they were composed and handed down to us in that written form.

The fact, however, is that the text tradition of the Rigveda was stabilized at a comparatively late date, and fixed in writing at a much later epoch. The result has been not unlike what would have happened if the works of Chaucer and Shakespeare were put in writing and printed for the first time in the twentieth century: in short, the text of the Rigveda as handed down to us is, in various details, not only different from what it actually was, but to some extent also screens the differences that mark off the languages of the earlier Maṇḍalas from that of the tenth.” (pp.340-341).

The language of the tenth Maṇḍala represents a distinctly later stage of the Rigvedic language. Hiatus, which is frequent in the earlier Rigveda, is already in process of elimination here. Stressed i u cannot in sandhi be changed into y v in the earlier parts, but in the tenth Maṇḍala  they can. The ending –āsas in nominative plural is half as frequent as –ās in the Rigveda taken as a whole, but its number of occurrences is disproportionately small in the tenth Maṇḍala . Absolutives in –tvāya occur only here. The stem rai- is inflected in one way in the first nine Maṇḍalas, and in another in the tenth, and in the inflexion of dyau-, too, the distribution of strong and weak forms is much more regular in the earlier Maṇḍalas. The Prakritic verbal stem kuru- appears only in the tenth Maṇḍala  for the earlier kṛiṇu-. Many words appear for the first time in the tenth Maṇḍala or are shared by it only with the interpolated part of other Maṇḍalas. The old locative form pritsu, adjectives like girvaṇas and vicharṣani, and the substantive vīti do not occur at all in the tenth Maṇḍala , though in the earlier Maṇḍalas they are quite common. The particle sim, which is unknown in the Atharvaveda, occurs fifty times in the first nine Maṇḍalas but only once in the tenth. Words like ājya, kāla, lohita, vijaya, etc., occur for the first time in the tenth Maṇḍala, as also the root labh-. Words shared with the tenth Maṇḍala  only by the interpolated parts of other Maṇḍalas, the Valakhilyas, and unmistakably late hymns, are loka (for earlier uloka which is a haplology for uruloka), mogha, visarga, gup- (a back-formation from gopa), etc. And words which occur mostly, though not exclusively, in the tenth Maṇḍala and these parts, are sarva, bhagavant, prāṇa, hridaya, etc. The archaic particle ī of pronominal origin, for which the Padapāṭha throughout wrongly reads īm, does not occur at all in the tenth Maṇḍala, and the particle īm, which is only less archaic than ī, occurs in it only about half a dozen times. Of forms like dakshi, adukshat , etc., which are. the results of the action of a pre-Vedic phonetic law, only one, namely dudukshan, occurs in the tenth Maṇḍala. It is unnecessary to dilate any further on the language of the Rigveda.” (pp.343-344).

In fact, while expounding another point, Ghosh points out: “This also proves in a striking manner that the language of the earlier Mandalas was already in danger of being misunderstood when the hymns of the tenth Mandala were being composed.  (p.340).

So yes: Book 10 is much later than the other nine Maṇḍalas, though it belongs to the fag end of a chronological period the period of composition of the New Rigveda which included in its earliest part Book 5, and in its middle parts Books 1,8 and 9   which stands out distinct from an earlier period, the period of composition of the Old Rigveda (Books 6,3,7,4,2).

 

So, I must request analysts of Vedic religion, wisdom and philosophy, to stick to their field of expertise and not make definitive pronouncements on Vedic history and chronology without examining the evidence. 



Monday, 23 December 2024

The Dravidian Invasion/Migration Theory − If Not the AIT/AMT, Then the DIT/DMT?

 

The Dravidian Invasion/Migration Theory If Not the AIT/AMT, Then the DIT/DMT?

 Shrikant G. Talageri

 

Yes, blows can be struck at the Indian Hindu identity not only from the western academic side or the anti-Hindu side by way of promoting or supporting the AIT/AMT (Aryan Invasion/(Im)Migration Theory). They can also be struck at the very same Indian Hindu identity from the opposite side (the anti-AIT/AMT side) ostensibly against the prime political regional force in India supporting the AIT/OIT, the Dravidianists: how else but by rejecting the AIT/OIT but supporting the DIT/DMT!

Jijith Nadumuru Ravi has apparently put up the following tweet today:

Irimbithi and Sirimbithi Dravidian names discovery by Talageri. Same me assert North IVC dominated by the Pancha Janas and Ikswakus. Same me also supports Indus Script encoding Indo Aryan. Refer Image below regarding why Dravidiian in South IVC esp in Gujarat

He also appends the following map in the tweet:




It may be noted that this tweet contains three points which stand out prominently in their incorrectness:


1. Firstly, he takes this opportunity to repeat the extremely flawed and baseless theory that “North IVC (was) dominated by the Pancha Janas and Ikswakus”, which he had tried to prove in his book “Rivers of Ṛgveda”, where he tried to propagate a combination of the AIT and OIT (AIT from the northwest into India and OIT from the northwest out of India), by trying to drum up a case to show that the textual evidence shows that all the Panchajanas of the Rigveda (The Pūrus, Anus, Druhyus, Yadus and Turvaṣas) as well as the Ikṣvākus, all originated in the Sarasvati valley (IVC) and then spread out to both east and west from there. As I have shown in detail in my review of his book, his book consists of completely imaginary theories and scenarios totally unsupported by, and even sharply opposed to, the data in both the Rigveda as well as the Puranas:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/03/a-review-of-rivers-of-rgveda-by-jijith.html 

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/03/rigvedic-vis-vis-epic-puranic-geography.html 


2. Secondly, he suddenly becomes a strong protagonist of the DIT/DMT or the Dravidian Invasion/(Im)Migration Theory, which has even less basis than the AIT/AMT, since, unlike in the case of the Indo-European languages (where over ten of the twelve branches are spoken outside India) there is no Dravidian language found anywhere outside the Indian subcontinent either at present or at any point of time in recorded history. The so-called connections with the Elamite language – which are, however much its supporters may claim them to be proved, are only a matter of theory and conjecture, and any “migration”, even if any connection could be “proved”, in no way stands established as a migration which took place from Elam to South India and not vice versa – are part of the fringe group of theories which link Dravidian tentatively with diverse languages like the Uralic languages of northeastern Europe or with the Korean language of East Asia.

[As noted elsewhere, in many of my earlier articles, the only factor which was used by AIT writers and scholars, to allege an earlier historical presence of Dravidian language speakers in the NW before they “migrated” or were “driven” southwards, is the presence of a Dravidian language, Brahui in Baluchistan. But, ironically, this one and only “clue” to a NW presence for Dravidian is now accepted by almost all prominent (AIT-supporting!) scholars, including Witzel and Hock, as the remnant of a Dravidian speaking group which migrated to the NW from the South!]

So Jijith’s newfound support (at least I am assuming it is newfound) for a Dravidian Homeland in Elam in Iran, and for the theory of an invasion/immigration of Dravidian speakers from there into South India through the NW, is as totally fictional as his discovery of the earliest Ikṣvākus in the Saravati area: both totally unsupported by any kind of textual testimony or traditional beliefs or indeed linguistic evidence.

 

3. He actually refers to the “Irimbithi and Sirimbithi Dravidian names discovery by Talageri”. Then he should be fully aware that this discovery can only be interpreted as the migration of small groups or individuals from among the Dravidian language speakers of the South into the IVC northwest. It cannot be interpreted as a Rigvedic rishi from the northwest, being an individual belonging to a stream of Dravidian immigrants moving from Elam in Iran (through the NW) towards the South, remaining in the NW as part of the IVC/Vedic culture but sending his name southward through proxies to be given to a place on the coast of Kerala!

In my article “Dravidian Connections with the Harappan Civilization and the Rigveda”, this is what I wrote about this Irimbiṭha:

As we saw, the Rigveda contains two important words - very important and common in later Sanskrit as well as in modern Indo-Aryan, but found only once each in the Rigveda - of undoubtedly Dravidian origin. These are:

a) The verbal root pūj-.

b) The word kāṇa.

These two words are found (both in the New Rigveda) as follows:

a) pūj- in VIII.17.12, attributed to Irimbiṭhi Kāṇva,

b) kāṇa in X.155.1, attributed to Śirimbiṭha Bhāradvāja.

It cannot be a coincidence that both the words are composed by two different rishis with such strikingly similar, unusual and non-Indo-Aryan names. The rishi-ascriptions in book 10 are very often garbled  -  in my 2000 book "The Rigveda - A historical Analysis", pp.25-26, I had written "Maṇḍala X is a very late Maṇḍala and stands out from the other nine Maṇḍalas in many respects. One of these is the general ambiguity in the ascriptions of the hymns to their composers. In respect of 44 hymns, and 2 other verses, it is virtually impossible to even identify the family of the composer" -  and it is perfectly possible the composer of X.155 is also the same as the composer of VIII.17, i.e. Irimbiṭhi Kāṇva.

The name is clearly Dravidian: in fact, we still have a place in Kerala named Irimbiḷiyam: it is not impossible that this, or a nearby area, is the home-area of this Rigvedic composer - more than 4000 years old!  Note that there are two more words in the same hymn, VIII.17, which have also been identified as Dravidian:

a) -khaṇḍ- in VIII.17.12,

b) kuṇḍa in VIII.17.13,

and, to crown it all, the word muni, found in only 4 hymns in the whole of the Rigveda, and referring to holy men from the non-Vedic areas of the East and South within India, is also found in the next verse: in VIII.17.14. That we should have so many indications in three consecutive verses is incredible but extremely significant.

Very clearly, this rishi Irimbiṭhi is a person from the Dravidian South who, like members of different religious orders in present-day India who are found in parts of India other than their area of origin, migrated to the busy cosmopolitan Mature Harappan = New Rigvedic civilization area from the South and subsequently became a Rigvedic rishi.

 

But the most puzzling question that arises is about the linguistic identity of the original inhabitants of almost the whole of the rest of (i.e. excluding only the northwest, now mostly in Pakistan) India if we are to swallow Jijith’s two theories:

1. That all the Indo-European languages originated in a northwestern part of India around the river Sarasvati, and then spread out over the rest of northern and central India right up to Assam in the east.

2. That all the Dravidian languages originated in Iran and then migrated into India through the NW and then spread out over the whole of South India.

 

I had posed this question to Jijith in my review of his book “Rivers of Ṛgveda”, when his assertions were still restricted only to North India (or the presently Indo-Aryan speaking parts of India): 

There is one important question I would like to pose to Jijith (the other two writers named above are no more, and cannot answer this question):

If all the Solar and Lunar tribes were on the banks of the Sarasvati before their migrations, then, before they migrated to the East and South, what was the state of inhabitation of the other areas to its east and south (where the Epic-Puranic texts actually locate these tribes) in Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Rajasthan, Gujarat and Madhya Pradesh? [I can concede that areas further east and south of these may have been originally mixed border areas with Dravidian and Austric language speakers, mythically descendants of the other eight sons of Manu]:

1. Were these areas completely devoid of human inhabitation?

2, Were they inhabited by other intelligent non-human inhabitants (as in fairy tale scenarios and in all mythologies, including modern ones like Lord of the Rings, etc.)?

3. Were they inhabited by speakers of Dravidian and Austric languages, who were invaded and displaced by the indigenous "Aryans"?

4. Were they inhabited by extremely primitive "uncultured Aryans" with no traditions of their own  who were invaded and displaced by the "cultured Aryans" from the Sarasvati river?

The question becomes even more striking when we note now that it is not only the IE languages of most of North India, but also the Dravidian languages of South India, which are supposed to be historical intruders into their spaces.

In my earlier articles, I had pointed out that Jijith’s theory represented a combination of AIT/AMT and OIT so far as the Indo-European languages of India are concerned. But now it looks as if Jijith has gone all out in presenting a full-fledged and unqualified DIT/DMT so far as the Dravidian languages are concerned. His earlier theory was at least to be understood as arising from his desire to show that the Sarasvati area alone was the Ultimate PIE Homeland. Is it that same desire which has (in some inexplicable way) given birth to this present DIT/DMT theory?


APPENDIX Added 28-12-2024:

The never-say-die breed of illiterate sepoys is alive and kicking. The tweeter Rahul@RahulKrish91858 Krishnan has apparently put up the following tweet in response to this article:

Recent genetic study of Dravidian speaking Brahui tribe shows that they are similar to baluch population,they show no genetic similarity to Dravidian population India. Which means that the theory of late Dravidian migration from central india to NW India and Iran is not true

Brahui genetics disproove theory of late migration of Dravidians from south India to Iran.

This kind of illiterate talk is tiring to say the least. To find out about the movement of languages, you have to study Linguistics, not Genetics (which can perhaps tell you about your various ancestral genetic/racial components and where each of them came from, but not about the languages any particular ancestral component spoke, or the point of time at which they spoke or started to speak any particular language). Linguistically, the old opinion that Brahui represented an original linguistic component of NW India preceding an alleged Dravidian-language movement towards South India has now been replaced by a new linguistic conclusion (supported by all those who otherwise still believe in a Dravidian-language movement from the NW to South India, including Witzel and Hock) that Brahui was a migrant from South India to the NW. As there is no other linguistic support (than the now abandoned claim for Brahui) for any Dravidian presence in the NW or outside India to its west, people seeing languages embedded within DNA and haplogroups can only be classified as people suffering from delusions for which there is no medical cure.

Max Muller himself (accused of being the prime original proponent of the AIT) had declared (seeing the excesses of racist scholars) that “an ethnologist who speaks of Aryan race, Aryan blood, Aryan eyes and hair, is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a dolichocephalic dictionary or a brachycephalic grammar”. Today, he would have said: “a geneticist who speaks of IE genes and Dravidian haplogroups is as great a sinner as a linguist who speaks of a R1a dictionary or a M1 grammar”.

 


Friday, 20 December 2024

Fake News, East and West, In Indology and In Politics

 

Fake News, East and West, In Indology and In Politics

Shrikant G. Talageri

 

Fake news, carried on by financially powerful forces entrenched in the media (or, alternately, the “social media”) and academia, has been going on for decades. Goebbels made Fake News (which could also be called misinformation, disinformation or simply false propaganda  or public iteration, reiteration and dissemination of lies and which by extension also means the deliberate stonewalling, misrepresentation, suppression or banning of authentic news, valid alternate views or genuine information) a byword, and his name itself became a symbol of Fake News, during the second world war. Colonial powers, Fascist countries and Communist countries: no-one has been lagging in the race to be more effective, and more effective than others, as purveyors of fake news and vicious fraudulent propaganda.

A. American Politics.

B. Indology and Hindu Issues.

C. BJP (as opposed to Hindu) Issues.

 

A. American Politics

The power of the Left in India is well known. It is equally powerful in America and Europe, as well, in media and in academic institutions, and this has been demonstrated in the last few decades (and of course, the earlier decades were not different) by its ubiquitous Goebbelsian sweep in all matters pertaining to India and Hinduism. Also, it must be noted, in almost all matters pertaining to Israel and Russia. And, particularly in the last decade, in almost all matters pertaining to certain American politicians themselves, mainly Donald Trump: the power of the Left, and its totalitarian sweep, far exceeding that of Goebbels himself, cannot be better exemplified than by the fact that Donald Trump, the previous, and now once more, President of the United States of America (a position considered to be making him the most powerful person in the world) was banned on Twitter for some years! And almost the entire top gamut of the woke-controlled western press and academic world has been blackening his name for almost a decade. A key word in the leftist western propaganda jargon is the word “false”: for many years now, most of the reports concerning Trump in the western press routinely and mandatorily carried, in its headlines, this presumptuous loaded word “Trump falsely claims…”. “Trump and his supporters falsely say…”, etc. Needless to say, the free use of the word “false” in most reports blackening Hindus (and Hindu issues), Israel, and Russia, is as universal and ubiquitous even as it, in a Freudian way, reflectively exposes the true nature of the propagandists themselves. Even Goebbels would have blushed with shame (or envy) on seeing the heights and extent to which “Goebbelsian” propaganda has been taken forward by modern woke leftists.

[It must be noted in passing that fortunately for Israel, it has its own small base of supporters in the west; and Trump also, as the massive flood of media exposures (check youtube) completely denuding the woke leftist propagandists in America post the election results has made clear, has his own supporters (usually much more erudite, witty and efficient than the woke morons) who can lay bare the truth. Hindus, Hinduism and Hindutva are relatively unsupported by any significant bloc].

The two key features of this fake news industry are the manufacturing and bombardment of fake news against the targeted subjects and the manufacturing and bombardment of fake news in support of the desired (anti-Hindu, anti-Russia, anti-Israel, or anti-Trump) entities.

One prime example of the latter, in American politics, was the claim that Kamala Harris (who openly claims to be “woke” and supports the Kashmiri separatists and terrorists) was a truly multi-racial American personality who, by her very DNA, was best suited to represent all the racial sections within America: she was, it was claimed, of both white and black ancestry on the father’s side, and of Indian ancestry on the mother’s side. The entire top layer of woke leaders controlling the media and academia in America was in full blast in propagation of the claim that Kamala Harris was (among other ancestries, also) of black ancestry and it was the duty of all black voters to vote for her: most woke persons on the media described her as a “black” woman. In fact, when Janet Jackson (Michael Jackson’s sister) said in an interview that she was told that Kamala Harris did not have any black ancestors (“She’s not black. That’s what I heard. That she’s Indian”), the entire elite woke media launched an attack on her. NBC (22 September 2024) put up a report titled “Janet Jackson tells interviewer she's heard Kamala Harris is not Black, echoing election disinformation”. A person named Mo Elmasi, claiming to be Janet Jackson’s manager, is then reported to have announced that he had been authorized to issue an apology statement by Jackson “acknowledging that her comments were based on misinformation” and expressing her respect for Kamala Harris’ “heritage” and “values” (and this fake “news” was spread everywhere by the woke media). Janet Jackson was compelled to immediately go on media again to clarify that she had issued no such apology, that the said person was not her manager, and that she stood by her original words. The New York Times (the undisputed King of Fake News in America) then immediately carried the headlines in its issue of 23 September 2024: “Janet Jackson Repeats false Claims about Kamala Harris’ Race” – note that tell-tale false word “false” again!

However a prominent (and herself black) Republican, Candace Owens, went deeper into the matter, and cross-checked, and produced and publicized, all the evidence, which showed that Kamala Harris’ claims about her paternal great grandmother being “black” were totally false and fraudulent, and that she had no black ancestors. The evidence is truly shocking and shows the extent to which Fake News has become the New Normal in the west:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIatwwijh9E

 

Needless to say, this evidence was completely stonewalled by the anti-Trump woke activists, who still insist on prominently referring to Kamala Harris as a “black woman” candidate who lost only because of “racism” and “misogyny!

 


I will not talk here about the Fake News which is broadcast all over the world by the extremely powerfully entrenched and ubiquitous woke media and academic machinery in respect of the Russia-Ukraine and the Israel-Palestinian conflicts: this propaganda is so powerful and mesmerizing that it has even managed to brainwash sections of committed Hindus who are otherwise plainly able to see through woke propaganda where it involves Hindus and Hindu issues, and we find even many committed Hindus (let alone most of the younger generation of “modern” Hindus who are generally ignorant on most issues, and end up becoming woke-peer-influenced) shedding crocodile tears for the Palestinians (and/or Ukrainians). I will restrict myself only to the (anti-) Hindu side of this woke Fake News Industry, which, as my title points out, covers the areas of both Indology and Politics.

 

 

B. Indology and Hindu Issues

 

The most recent example (or the most prominent among countless recent examples) is the Fake News about Bangladesh. An article in that hyper-woke and hyper-anti-Hindu website The Wire, by a woke writer Partha S Ghosh, on 12 December 2024, titled “India Is Hardly in a Position to Lecture Bangladesh on Minority Protection”, and with the sub-title “Most Indians seem to have failed to note that the communal situation in India is not very different from what is happening in Bangladesh”, indulges in a breath-takingly insane orgy of Fake News, including the following gems (note that every sentence in this hate-article is breath-stopping: I am only quoting a bare handful of them): “since India is very powerful, accounting for three-fifths of the region’s population, GDP and military strength, it has a monopoly over anti-Muslim hatred”, “The fact that 200 million Muslims of India (15% of population) grieve the fact that they have been reduced to the status of second class citizens disturbs BJP/RSS the least”, “It is difficult to know for sure how much violence the Bangladeshi Hindus have actually been subjected to. In these days of social media and fake news galore every bit of news must be taken with a pinch of salt”, etc. About Sheikh Hasina he tells us that “Sheikh Hasina is indeed playing politics”, while whatever Yunus, the current ruler of Bangladesh, says or does is “Characteristic of his polite demeanour”!

 

That, (1) even after the Hindu population of Bangladesh has reduced from its earlier 22.5% to the present (even before the present outbreak of massacres!) 7.95%, while the Muslim population of India has increased from its earlier (in 1951) 10.45% to 14.23% (that figure was in 2011: the latest figures in 2024 must naturally be much more!), and (2) even after Anand Ranganathan’s recent book “Hindus in Hindu Rashtra (Eighth Class Citizens and Victims of State-Sanctioned Apartheid)” (which gives in ruthless detail the full situation regarding the legal and factual position of Hindus vis-à-vis Muslims in India), this slavering hate-writer can still claim, without apparently the slightest bit of shame and guilt, that the violence against Hindus in Bangladesh is “fake news” while “200 million Muslims of India (15% of population)….have been reduced to the status of second class citizens” in India, shows us that for woke propagandist merchants of Fake News, the sky is the limit – or rather there is simply no limit whatsoever!

 

That no prominent Indian politician has bothered to refer to “Hindus” being massacred in Bangladesh – the few mealy-mouthed and milk-and-water references forced out of even the so-called Hindutva politicians euphemistically mention (and only mention, and that too hesitatingly, and with many clauses and “buts”) the plight of “minorities” in Bangladesh, always specifying Christians also if forced to refer to Hindus , shows us why Hindus are always easy targets: Hindus have no protectors or defenders!

 

[Incidentally, my favorite politician in the world is an American (a Hindu but with no Indian ancestry!), Tulsi Gabbard, who has always spoken out openly in support of Israel, Russia (vis-à-vis Ukraine) and Bangladeshi Hindus − even if she may now perhaps be constrained by not being a citizen of India, and happening to be holding a high position in a government of an American party which calls itself “The Party of Christ”! I sincerely wish she had been an Indian politician].

 

In respect of Indology and Hindu Issues, the flood of Fake News is staggering, and is purveyed with as much vigor by Indian (Hindu) sepoys as by ignorant and/or anti-Hindu western academics and media.

 

I have already, in many previous articles, referred to the complete sway of Fake News and Fraudulent “scholarship” in matters pertaining to Hindu Issues and Indology, giving as examples the case of the Ayodhya structure and the Rigvedic Sarasvati river respectively. I will again take only these two earlier examples, which only constitute a representative drop in the ocean of blatant and ubiquitous Fake Anti-Hindu News:

 

The Ayodhya Structure: Islam came into existence some time after the birth of the prophet Mohammad in Arabia in 570 CE: according to Islamic traditions, the first revelation was received by Mohammad in 610 CE, signaling the birth of Islam. The flight of Mohammad and his followers from Mecca to Medina in 622 CE signaled the beginning of the first expansion of Islam outside Mecca. By the time of the death of the prophet, in 632 CE, almost the whole western half of the Arabian peninsula had become Muslim, and by 656 CE, the whole of the peninsula and parts of Syria, Iraq and Egypt were Muslim. By 750 CE, the whole of West Asia (covering Iran and Afghanistan, Sind and Central Asia) and the entire Mediterranean coast of Africa had become part of a massive Muslim empire. The entry of Islam into India had started in Sind in 712 CE, and was consolidated by repeated invasions in the eleventh and twelfth centuries, and through subsequent rule of Islamic or Muslim dynasties in various parts of (mainly) northern India culminating in the Mughal Empire in the sixteenth century.

 

Throughout this period, the destruction of temples and non-Muslim religious structures was a regular part of Muslim expansion in every land (starting with the destruction of the pagan idols in Mecca itself in 630 CE on the personal instructions of, and under the personal supervision of, Mohammad himself). Literally lakhs and lakhs of non-Muslim religious structures have been destroyed in the course of Muslim history: the two-volume book ("Hindu Temples - What Happened To Them", Voice of India, New Delhi) by Sita Ram Goel lists out around 2000 temples which were destroyed by Muslim invaders and had prominent mosques built on the sites. These are all major temples where the archaeological and other features stand as evidence to these temples-destroyed-and-turned-into-mosques claims, and, in addition, all these events are recorded in detail in official Muslim documents (Hindus had a very poor sense of history, and provided few written testimonies) mainly in Persian or Urdu and often even in plaques or inscriptions on the converted sites placed there by the Muslim destroyers themselves. It must be noted that there have to be countless times more such cases which were beyond the scope of this one intrepid historian, and that all these only represent only the ones recorded in detail by the Muslim destroyers (and not the many times more number of those not so recorded or where the records have not survived) and represent only the major temples-turned-mosques of national/international fame and not the (again) many multiple times more of Hindu temples in every lane and corner of every city, town and village captured by the Muslim invaders.

 

Sita Ram Goel records not only the details of these 2000 temple-turned-mosques, but also of the temple-destroying history of Islam outside India from the very birth period of Islam in Arabia, and also the “destroy idol temples” principles which form such an intrinsic part of Muslim (as of Biblical Christian) religion, and which were reinforced by the founder of Islam himself in his lifetime. Needless to say, the Fake News Brigade dismisses all this evidence as sweepingly as the woke writer quoted at the beginning of this article dismisses the idea of massacres of Muslims in Bangladesh: see for example the Wikipedia entry on Sita Ram Goel’s above book!

 

Apart from the general history, all available records from the last few centuries (Indian as well as foreign) reinforce this same truth about the particular Ayodhya temple-turned-mosque: even the Muslims who intermittently used the “mosque” structures within the Ayodhya complex as mosques till 1947 called these structures (many of which still had visible temple carvings on them, as graphically recorded in detail by Ayodhya activists well before the demolition of the “Babri” structure, including images of the varāha avatār or boar-reincarnation of Vishnu – an animal impossible to be found carved on any mosque) by names such as “Janmasthān Masjid” (Birthplace Mosque) and “Sītā-Ki-Rasoi Masjid” (Sita’s Kitchen Mosque) before the Ayodhya movement made the name “Bābrī Masjid” the standard one! Whose “birthplace” and which “Sita” were these Muslims referring to? Further, no namaaz had been performed in the structure since 1947, and the idol installed in 1947 was still intact through all these decades. The authentic and honest narrative about the temple-turned-mosque structure continued till the start of the Ayodhya movement in the mid-eighties, after which the woke Fake News Industry took full charge of the issue and rejected the idea completely.

 

And, when a crowd of determined Hindus demolished the Babri structure in December 1992 to take back the temple site, the entire sweep of national and international media and academia (which had dismissed the history of the destruction of lakhs of temples with a shrug, although this kind of destruction was still regularly going on in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kashmir and many Muslim-dominated parts within the rest of India itself) came to life, and there was a massive national and international uproar about Hindus daring to take back even one of those lakhs of Hindu sites, almost as if the demolition of one building represented the most heinous and shocking crime against humanity after Auschwitz!

 

The Fake News about Ayodhya, and the front-page stories about the insufferable pain, mental and socio-economic agonies and injustices that Muslims suffered due to the Babri demolition, continued in full force from 1993 till the Allahabad High Court judgment in 2010, and with slightly less force till the Supreme Court judgment in November 2019, and is, incredibly, still a staple in woke articles and talks to this day! But the way in which, for nearly four decades, the entire national and international world of media and academics jointly functioned as a monopolistic Fake News Big Brother from Orwell’s 1984, in the matter of Ayodhya, will remain a classic test case of Fake News Goebbelsian Propaganda for future students.     

 

 The Rigvedic Sarasvati River: I have dealt with this topic in detail in section 2 of my article “The Logic of Rigvedic Geography”:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-logic-of-rigvedic-geography_6.html

I will only repeat the essence here:

That the Sarasvati of the Rigveda is the present-day Ghaggar-Hakra river which flows through Haryana, Rajasthan and Sind out into the sea is an accepted fact in the interpretation of the Rigveda. Today, after the realization that this disproves the Aryan Invasion Theory (according to which the “Aryans” entered India after 1500 BCE and only composed the Rigveda after that) − since the Sarasvati (Ghaggar-Hakra) had largely dried up well before 1500 BCE, and since the Rigvedic description of the massive river is incompatible with this alleged date of composition of the Rigveda − it has become politically necessary to reject this identification with the Ghaggar-Hakra. But to make this Fake News more Fake, there is a massive political campaign in the media and academia not only to propagate the lie that the Rigvedic Sarasvati is actually a river of Afghanistan, but also to allege that the Hindu "right-wing" is trying to propagate a new theory that the Sarasvati of the Rigveda is the Ghaggar-Hakra! 

First let us see what the consensus has been, on this point, until the importance of the identification of the Sarasvati in the AIT-OIT debate became clear to the AIT-supporting present political "scholars" (especially after books written by myself and some other writers after the 1990s, and new developments in satellite-mapping and geology) and made them take up damage control on a war-footing:

The first western scholar to propose that the Ghaggar-Hakra was the Vedic Sarasvati was the French geographer Louis Vivien de Saint-Martin in 1855 in his very massive and detailed book "Geography of India’s North-West According to the Vedic Hymns".

After that, this identification has been fully endorsed by almost every single eminent Indologist, geologist and archaeologist in the last over 160 years. A representative list, first of the western scholars down the ages, and then the Indian (and Pakistani) ones: Max Müller, Keith and Macdonell, Monier-Williams, Pischel, Geldner, Hopkins, R.D.Oldham, C.F.Oldham, Wilson, Renou, Benfey, Muir, Lassen, Stein, Jane McIntosh, Wilhelmy, Mortimer Wheeler, Bridget and Raymond Allchin, Gregory Possehl, JM Kenoyer, Jean-Marie Casal, Kenneth Kennedy, Rosen, Southworth, Pargiter, Gowen, Burrow, Basham, Shamsul Islam Siddiqui, AH Dani, BB Lal, SP Gupta, VN Misra, Dilip Chakrabarti, M. Israil Khan, S.R.Rao, K.S.Valdiya, A.D.Pusalker, H.C.Raychaudhary, D.C.Sircar, Ashok Aklujkar, and many more.

A few scholars (Bergaigne, Lommel, Lüder), on the basis of the present-day poor condition of the Ghaggar-Hakra, had expressed doubts, and concluded that the Rigvedic river may have been "a celestial river" and not an earthly one, and on the same grounds Roth suggested that it could be another name for the Indus. Roth's suggestion was partially accepted by Zimmer, Griffith, Hillebrandt and Ludwig, and yet all these scholars, Roth included, accepted that in many hymns of the Rigveda, it did indeed refer to the Ghaggar-Hakra!

Only a few scholars, such as Brunnhofer, Hertel and Hüsing held that the Rigvedic Sarasvati was in Afghanistan or even in Iran: but since these scholars located the whole of the text in Afghanistan and Iran, and this identification of the Sarasvati was only a part of their whole scenario, their writings on this point were outright rejected by all the other Indologists.

Michael Witzel is now frequently cited as an authority challenging the identification of the Sarasvati with the Ghaggar-Hakra. Here is what Witzel himself had to say on this matter before the full implications, for the AIT, of the identification were made clear by me in my books:

In this paper on Rigvedic history written in 1995, Witzel categorically tells us “Sarasvatī = Sarsuti; Ghaggar-Hakra” (WITZEL 1995b:318).

He concludes the paper/article with a summary of the “Geographical Data in the Rigveda” in detailed charts covering ten pages (WITZEL 1995b:343-352), giving the geographical data classified into columns as per five areas (which he classifies as West, Northwest, Panjab, Kurukṣetra, East) from west to east. In these charts, he specifically locates every single reference (mentioned by him) to the Sarasvatī in Books 6, 3 and 7 exclusively in Kurukṣetra: VI.61.3,10 (WITZEL 1995b:343, 349), III.23.4 (WITZEL 1995b:343, 347), VII.36.6 (WITZEL 1995b:344, 349), VII.95.2 (WITZEL 1995b:344, 349) and VII.96.1,2 (WITZEL 1995b:344, 349). Further, wherever, in the main body of the article, he gives geographical areas in sequence from west to east in these three Books, the Sarasvatī is inevitably to the east of the Punjab (WITZEL 1995b:318, 320).

So clearly, the Rigvedic Sarasvati is the Ghaggar-Hakra, and the Ghaggar-Hakra is the Rigvedic Sarasvati, and this was the absolute consensus till the last few decades. And now, the anti-Hindu propagandists not only claim that the Rigvedic Sarasvati is a river of Afghanistan, the Helmand, but, instead of admitting that it is they who have now turned against their own former consensus, they falsely (as the New York Times would put it, though correctly in this case) claim that their new claim has always been the consensus, and that the Hinduclaim” that the Rigvedic Sarasvati is the Ghaggar-Hakra is the new claim which goes against the former consensus! Can there be more convoluted Fake News than this? And this Fake News is now being propagated on a war footing by the entire national and international world of media and academics.

Anti-Hindu Fake news in the world of Indology and of Indian history of every historical period is rampant everywhere, and constitutes a massive discipline of scientific study in itself.


On a personal level, I (like all pro-Hindu people) have faced all kinds of Fake News attacks from woke leftists and Hindu sepoys. By Fake News, I am not referring to the personal name-calling and ad hominem attacks on me (and my academic qualifications, vocation, caste or political views), or the massive stonewalling of my work by the “scholars” who find themselves totally unable to deal with the evidence presented by me. I am referring to the actual Fake News put out about me, such as that I “insulted” Witzel’s wife or that I postulated Maharashtra as the original PIE Homeland:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2021/02/fake-allegation-about-my-insulting.html

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/02/goebbelsian-repetition-of-witzels-lies.html

The Fake News Czars have other tactics to control the dissemination of Authentic News: most prominent among them is the exertion of peer pressure on their own academic scholars who bring out facts or analyses which tend to corroborate the OIT rather than the AIT, to make them rescind or take back their words:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/01/the-new-western-academic-crusaders-and.html

The anti-Hindu Fake News Industry is a massive monopolistic Multinational Corporation in the fields of Indology, Hindu Issues and Indian politics, and will only become more and more dangerous as newer and newer tools of propaganda (such as Artificial Intelligence) are developed. It is necessary to be fully conscious and aware of its power and sweep and not to fall prey to it.

 

C. BJP (as opposed to Hindu) Issues

One may ask: is there no Fake News from the Hindu side? Obviously, fake news can be from any side. But to understand this issue fully, it is necessary to first distinguish between two different kinds of Fake News, both alleged to be “Hindu”.

There are of course the genuinely Hindu varieties of Fake News, consisting of the propagation by iteration or reiteration of fantastic claims, naïve assumptions, superstitious beliefs, orthodox viewpoints, etc. But this is the case with enthusiastic followers of every religion, and the only difference is that Hindu Fake News, unlike Christian or Muslim Fake News, is not supported by massive and powerful financial and political forces. I personally, and other true Hindu (or pro-Hindu) writers and scholars, have never supported and have very often actively and emphatically rejected Hindu Fake News (often leading to me being actively attacked from both sides).

But then we have BJP Fake News. and this variety of Fake News is very regularly and wrongly treated, by both supporters and opponents of the BJP, to also be “Hindu” Fake News. But it very definitely is not: in fact, in the most relevant sense, it is actually hand-in-glove with woke anti-Hindu Fake News in its primary aim: the primary aim of both these supposedly opposed-to-each-other varieties of Fake News is to convince Indian voters that the BJP represents or stands for Hindus, Hinduism and Hindutva. And both are supported by massive financially and politically powerful forces.

In essence, BJP Fake News is primarily intended only to consolidate Hindu voters politically behind the BJP, while woke anti-Hindu Fake News is incidentally intended to consolidate and polarize anti-Hindu or non-Hindu voters against the BJP. But the primary message propagated by both these varieties of Fake News is the same: that the BJP represents or stands for Hindus, Hinduism and Hindutva.

I will not waste time on this issue. Suffice it to say that the Fake News Brigade of the BJP on the internet at least (if not so much in the academia and in large parts of the national and international media) is as powerful and all-pervading as the woke Fake News Brigade, and the aim of this BJP Fake News Brigade is to whitewash or provide apologetic defenses for all the Bad News about the BJP while presenting Fake Good News about the BJP , while at the same time blanking out any Good News (not that there is much here) about the political opponents of the BJP while presenting Fake Bad News about them. It is concerned only with the BJP and not with Hinduism unless the BJP itself is allegedly connected in any specific Hindu context. I will not bother to go too deeply into this, because, to be very frank:

1. Most (though not all) of the internet activities of BJP supporters actually consists mainly of rhetorical declarations in praise or defense of the BJP and in criticism or condemnation or ridicule of its political rivals, without necessarily encompassing any type of news or information as such.

2. And every political party has its own Fake News Brigade: it only just so happens that the BJP Brigade is much larger and more efficient tech-savvy and cash-rich than those of its political (electoral) rivals


The main aim of this section is therefore only to point out in clear and strong terms that there is a sharp difference between Hindu Fake News (or indeed any other variety of Hindu News) and BJP news (Fake or otherwise), although all sides are united in trying to obliterate the difference and to conflate the two, and not to go into details about the BJP Fake News.

But I will only relate one recent piece of BJP Fake News because it even had me completely fooled for some time. It was about the Shiv Sena of Uddhav Thackeray, or its most prominent voice, Sanjay Raut, and was more of a polemical nature than having anything to do with any real issues. The aim of all BJP Fake News is to present the BJP in the best possible light, and its opponents in the worst possible light, and this particular one presented Sanjay Raut as some kind of super-idiot.

Let me make clear at this point: I am not a supporter of Uddhav Thackeray or the Shiv Sena he heads. I voted for it in the Lok Sabha elections earlier this year, but in the recent assembly elections, I reverted back to NOTA. Uddhav Thackeray is personally responsible for the present pathetic state of his party. His only overriding aim seems to have been to carve out a powerful political position for his own son. And, in his pursuit of this obsession, he systematically destroyed the powerful political legacy (at least so far as Hindutva is concerned) that he himself received from his own father. In his zeal to promote his son’s political interests and sideline possible rivals in this line, he systematically wiped out intra-family rivals (and contemptuously dismissed all attempts by well-wishers to persuade him to join hands with his estranged cousin) and then kept the other important Shiv Sena leaders in the background (which left them susceptible to the carrot-and-stick tactics of the BJP), and he even (at least in my personal opinion) deliberately sacrificed the Thane Lok Sabha seat in the recent Lok Sabha elections and allowed the rival Shinde faction to win it rather than put the son of the late Anand Dighe (who could perhaps have won the seat) as his own party candidate. Even worse, in his new-found greed for Muslim votes he alienated his Hindu voters (many already alienated by his ambiguous and indifferent reaction to the murder of two sadhus in Palghar during his Chief Ministership) by going all out to present himself as a messiah of the Muslims. In this process, he not only openly declared that the Muslim vote had consolidated behind him, and got himself prominently publicized in the media in the midst of chanting crowds of Muslims, but (I am told) prominently visited the Mahim dargah a day or two before the assembly elections, and (I have seen this video clip) declared that all waqf properties were the properties of Muslims and he would not allow anyone to try to interfere in their waqf rights. In the process, he did get all the Muslim votes (which he would have got anyway even without these shenanigans) but lost out on large sections of the traditional Hindu voters of the Shiv Sena.

So the following example of Fake News (apart from the fact that there is no real issue involved in it) is not presented in order to make any important political point: it is just presented as an interesting example of the kind of Fake News which circulates everywhere on the internet, regardless of the particular political party propagating it:

A video widely circulated on whatsapp and youtube (and elsewhere) showed Sanjay Raut giving the following speech (freely translated by me into English from Marathi here) addressing a crowd of cheering Shiv Sena (UBT) workers: “Today morning, I got one more piece of news: Putin, the President of Russia held an online conference with Joe Biden the President of America (USA) and the present king of England, Charles. And they wanted to know: “Who is this Uddhav Thackeray? This man is fantastic! He does not accept defeat! However many disasters rain on him, he does not flinch by an inch. Tomorrow if we come to face the prospect of a war, we will have to take Uddhav Thackeray’s advice. So let us contact him. ….Zelensky also wanted to know “Who is this Uddhav Thackeray”…”.

The video clip was obviously genuine, and even I was speechless at the stupidity or madness of the whole thing. The internet (and particularly whatsapp) was full of people passing insulting and derisive remarks about Sanjay Raut, who had been very plainly made to look like a fool or a mad person beyond compare, and his cheering audience no less so.

However, on investigation, it turned out that it was an edited clip (and a one-year old clip at that) which cut out the earlier part of the speech, and banked on ignorance about the background to this seemingly mad speech. It seems the whole thing started out with Eknath Shinde (the rival Shiv Sena chief, and then CM of Maharashtra) who, in a meeting of his supporters, had the following to say: “That day, a man came to meet me. He is the relative of an Indian man who works with the former USA President Bill Clinton. When he went to meet his relative, Bill Clinton asked him: “Who is this Eknath Shinde? What does he do? How does he do so much work? When does he sleep? When does he eat?” Shinde added: “even today, reporters are curious about all this”.

It was in response to this, and after specifically referring to it, that Sanjay Raut parodied the whole thing by inventing a fictional online conference between three international leaders. What was narrated in sarcasm and as a joke, not intended to be taken seriously, was propagated everywhere as a serious speech, and led to large scale misinformation and insulting comments and opinions about a particular person (in this case Sanjay Raut).

As I said, this kind of Fake News is everywhere today, and is propagated by all “sides”. Now, with amazingly deceptive highly technical tools available everywhere (including those classifiable under the heading “artificial intelligence”), things can only get worse and worse. So the principle caveat emptor (“buyers beware”) will only become more and more relevant in future in matters of news and information: people must learn to use their vivekabuddhi more efficiently before swallowing any news or information as true.