Thursday, 13 February 2025

Thank You For the Spiritual Promotion, My Secret Twitter Fans!

 

Thank You For the Spiritual Promotion, My Secret Twitter Fans!

Shrikant G. Talageri

  

The ākhāḍās of Prayagraj are known to confer religious “titles” on people of their choice. I believe the title of Mahāmaṇḍaleśvar (described by Wikipedia as follows: Mahamandaleshwar (or Maha Mandaleshwar) is a title used by some Hindu monks of the Dashanami order of swamis, founded by Shankaracharya. The word Mahamandaleshwar means "superior of great and/or numerous monasteries" or "superior of a religious district or province"; the title implies a great spiritual leader”) is one of the more well-known and much discussed (and in some cases, extremely notorious when it is conferred on people like “Radhe Guru Ma” and Mamta Kulkarni among others) such religious titles.

I have apparently just had the dubious honor of being conferred two religious titles by the internet twitter (X) gang of anti-Hindus masquerading under pseudo-Vedic and pseudo-Sanskrit pseudonyms: the kind of pseudos who are very prolific on twitter (X) and other internet forums continuously exhibiting their total ignorance of the data and facts regarding the subjects on which they so love to tweet:

 

https://x.com/DevarajaIndra

DevarajaIndra @ DevarajaIndra

Apart from Sri Sri 108 HH Talageri, sab random hi hain.

4:00 PM Feb 13,2025.

 

https://x.com/Siradhvaja

Devānām Ásura

How can one deny the Rishi of Rishis?

4:01 PM Feb 13,2025.

 

Should I feel honored? I don’t know!!

I only want to assure my readers that I have not paid lakhs or crores of rupees to these modern “Vedic” illiterates to have these titles conferred on me, as some of these Mahāmaṇḍaleśvars are supposed to have done. Please, please believe me!

 


Saturday, 8 February 2025

More on Yajnadevam’s Claimed Decipherment of the Harappan Script

 


More on Yajnadevam’s Claimed Decipherment of the Harappan Script

 Shrikant Talageri

 

I recently posted an article on January 18, 2025, titled “Is the Harappan Script Deciphered? If not, is the Harappan Language Likely to be “Aryan” (Indo-European) or Dravidian?”. This was in response to a question by someone from Bangalore. 

However, someone has just brought something to my notice that teaches me two points of wisdom about writing my articles that I should have learnt by myself long before this, but clearly failed to learn:

1. Never praise something you have not studied and do not know much about.

2. Never try to be diplomatic, always be either silent or blunt.

 

In my article, I repeatedly pointed out that judging the correctness or otherwise of decipherments was simply not my field of expertise or skill:

1. “As I have always said, the absolutely final conclusive (i.e. indisputable) answer can only come when the alphabet is conclusively deciphered beyond any reasonable doubt (which I honestly don’t think has happened yet, but I will answer that question, and explain my answer, more in detail further on in Section III of this article), But, till that final conclusive answer is reached, the very much greater likelihood is that it is “Aryan” (Indo-European).

2. ““Views”? Yes, views. I do not and cannot in any way claim to be an expert able to answer finally and conclusively on the question of the Harappan script and its decipherment. I (in spite of my unchallengeable mastery of the AIT-vs.-OIT issue) do not have either the patience, the skill and technical ability, or, to be frank. the very high level of dedication, knowledge and analytical skills, which would be required to decipher the Harappan script. I would not know how to even start on the project (starting with the massive task of gathering together all the literally tens of thousands − I have no count even of how many tens of thousands are now available − of Harappan seals and inscriptions) arranged date-wise or period-wise and area-wise, In fact, the very thought of this project fills me with awe.

3. “But while the Harappan language definitely cannot be anything else but “Aryan” (PIE/PIIr/PIr/PIA or whatever), can we take any particular claimed decipherment of the Harappan script (as “Aryan” PIE/PIIr/PIr/PIA or whatever) as decisive, conclusive and final? To be very frank, I cannot answer with a final resounding “yes!”. Because, although it is true that my biases as well as the evidence detailed in Section I make it inevitable that the Harappan script does represent an “Aryan” (PIE/PIIr/PIr/PIA or whatever) language, it does not automatically follow that any and every, or even any particular, claimed decipherment to that effect is really correct, let alone conclusive. And there have been literally dozens of different claimed “decipherments”, by both Indian and western scholars, reaching the correct conclusion (“Aryan”) but by different strange paths and methods, for many of which I have the same perception as for the “Dravidian” conclusions, that they are “based on arbitrary and whimsical methods” and represent “a spree of reckless and whimsical interpretations”.

 

After making all these clear statements, I should have stopped there and then, but, as I wrote above, I made the great mistake of tying to be diplomatic, rather than remaining silent or being blunt. And, while I had a lot to say about Dr.S.R.Rao’s decipherment, and said it, I stuck my neck out (for no reason at all) and put the claimed decipherment by Yajnadevam on a level with that of Dr.S.R.Rao:

However, two great claimed decipherments, both different from each other, but both truly great, impressive and admirable ones, stand out from the rest and must be mentioned, and merit study, examination and further research: the claimed decipherments by Dr.S.R.Rao and by Yajnadevam.

About the second claimed decipherment that I hold in great awe and respect, the recent decipherment by Yajnadevam also, I will say the same thing: “I myself am not an authority on the subject. Therefore, I am in no position to judge the correctness of his decipherment. I don’t know whether his decipherment is the last word on the subject (though I hope and pray he is generally correct), and I can only leave it at that for the moment””.

 

I have faced a barrage of questions on Yajnadevam’s decipherment in the last many months, and have even had his article on the same sent to me multiple times by different people, and I believe many people have pronounced favorably on it. Although I went through his article to the best of my ability, I realized I could not bother to try to pronounce any conclusions on a subject I knew was beyond my powers. So I refrained from giving any opinion so far. But one thing I knew (and will still accept, whether his decipherment is right or wrong): his detailed work  does seem to show that he exhibited certain qualities which (see above quote from my earlier article) I knew I did not have at least in the matter of “deciphering” the script: “the patience, the skill and technical ability, or, to be frank. the very high level of dedication, knowledge and analytical skills, which would be required to decipher the Harappan script”.

So, although I had a nagging feeling that what I wrote about the Dravidian-decipherers also applied to Yajnadevam (“that they are “based on arbitrary and whimsical methods” and represent “a spree of reckless and whimsical interpretations”), I made the two mistakes I mentioned earlier: I praised something I had not studied, and decided to be diplomatic rather than to remain silent or be blunt. I praised Yajnadevam, without going into specifics, and thought the matter was closed for me.

Shortly after that, someone (I don’t know how he got my email id) sent me a review of Yajnadevam’s article in which he made sharp criticisms about Yajnadevam’s decipherment:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianHistory/comments/1i4vain/critical_review_of_yajnadevams_illfounded/

This reviewer was clearly a full-fledged supporter of the AIT, and of the Dravidian identity of the Harappans. And he made certain specific AIT-biased wrong comments (about the alleged post-2000 BCEAryaninflux, and the alleged pre-Rigvedic nature of the Mitanni data) which led to some sharp altercation between us. However, at no point during this altercation did I reject his criticism of Yajnadevam’s decipherment: I simply skirted the issue (because frankly I could not find fault with his criticism). Again, I thought the matter was closed.

 

However, today, I was sent some tweets by Yajnadevam in the past (in 2022, addressed apparently to Nilesh Oak) which I knew nothing about (since I am not on twitter):

https://x.com/yajnadevam

Elst is stuck on date of vedas by Talageri. He is unable to accept Mahabharata before this date since it must come after vedas. This will resolve once Vedic date is more firmly established.

6:19 PM · Mar 4, 2022

 

Elst is a follower of Talageri RigVeda dates, which is 3500-1500 BCE. For high chronology to gain acceptance, Vedic date must be established with the same volume of evidence that you have meticulously gathered for MB.

6:43 PM · Mar 4, 2022

 

Apparently, Yajnadevam generally avoids making any references to my work, and when he does rarely make any comments, they are extremely critical; and, he otherwise avoids answering any questions about my work.

A wise man: wiser than me!

But while I made the two above mistakes in my earlier article, I must now correct myself. No, I am not rejecting Yajnadevam’s decipherment, I am simply reiterating that it is not, and was not, my place to accept or reject the correctness or otherwise of any decipherment. So I simply retract my unwisely and unwarrantedly effusive praise for his work.

Incidentally, the person who sent me the tweets also said that the other person (besides Dr.S.R.Rao) that I should have praised is not Yajnadevam, but Steven Bonta. I naturally knew about Steven Bonta’s work, but (apart from my general disinclination to pass judgments of correctness or incorrectness on claimed decipherments of the Harappan script), I had been told that Steven Bonta had also accepted Yajnadevam’s decipherment, so I did not name him. However, “point to be noted, my lord” as lawyers say to judges in Hindi film court scenes: I think he is right, and I do hope Steven Bonta receives all the support he deserves, and his thesis is given its due, and carried forward by other researchers. However, I genuinely am not really qualified to confirm the correctness of anyone’s specific decipherment, and the discussions on various specific claimed decipherments of the Harappan script must take place without my active participation in them.      


The Battle of the Two “Peer-Reviewed” Genetics-Based IE-Origins Theories “Steppes” vs. “Anatolia-Iran” Leaves South Asia Out of All Calculations

 

The Battle of the Two “Peer-Reviewed” Genetics-Based IE-Origins Theories “Steppes” vs. “Anatolia-Iran” Leaves South Asia Out of All Calculations

Shrikant G. Talageri

 

There have been three prominent papers in the last few years, all three “peer-reviewed”, all three by large groups of “scientists from around the world”, but espousing two opposite theories of Indo-European origins (a rather painful situation for devotees of “peer-reviewed” papers who believe that anything “peer-reviewed” represents the Word of God), “Steppes” vs. Anatolia-Iran”:

1. In 2018, we had the paper by Reich et al, titled “The Genomic formation of South and Central Asia”, posted in the preprint server for biology, bioRxiv.

2. In 2023, we had the paper by Heggarty et al, titled "Language trees with sampled ancestors support a hybrid model for the origin of Indo-European languages", in the journal Science.

3. Now, in 2025, we have the paper by Lazaridis et al, “The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans” in the journal Nature.

 

The first paper claimed to finally and conclusively establish, on the basis of Genetic Science, that the Indo-European family of languages originated in the Steppes.

The second paper claimed to finally and conclusively establish, on the basis of Genetic Science, that the Indo-European family of languages did not originate in the Steppes, but in a more southern area, roughly Anatolia-Iran.

The third paper again claims to finally and conclusively establish, on the basis of Genetic Science, that the Indo-European family of languages originated in the Steppes.

In short, there is a full-fledged, if unstated, battle going on between “peer-reviewed” Genetic Scientists, claiming conclusive genetic evidence for the origin and spread of the Indo-European family of languages (historically spread out over the vast area from Ireland in the west to Sri Lanka and Assam in the east; and in later and present times, the primary and official languages spoken throughout Australia, North America and South America, and known in most of the rest of the world) in two different places: in the Steppe areas around Russia, and in the Anatolia-Iran area.

It is not clear whether the winners in this debate are expected to be the side which garners more “peer-reviews” and academic support for its papers, or the side which describes more complicated genetic data about the migratory movements of DNA, Genes, Haplogroups and Clades, from the “Indo-European Homeland” claimed by it. What is certain is that all these papers are united in confidently claiming that the migratory movements of DNA, Genes, Haplogroups and Clades described by them actually pertain to the migratory movements of the Indo-European languages.

 

Before going further into this matter, let me clarify the most fundamental aspects of this whole debate for people who pretend to be dumb, or who actually are dumb, and choose to deliberately or inherently misunderstand what I am saying:

1. I do not dispute whatever these Genetic Scientists have to say about the movements of particular DNA, Genes, Haplogroups and Clades from anywhere to anywhere else. That is the field of Genetic Studies, and it is these scientists who will ultimately decide (after their internal and mutual differences are resolved) which DNA, Genes, Haplogroups and Clades migrated from which original area to which other areas.

2. I do not dispute even that DNA, Genes, Haplogroups and Clades, from whichever places of origin these Genetic scientists ultimately conclude, may have made their way into India at different points of time in the past, and are today part and parcel of the Genetic make-up of all or most Indians (very much, of course, including myself). In fact, in my book in 2019, I had unambiguously declared: “I am a Chitrapur Saraswat brahmin: hypothetically it may turn out from a DNA analysis that my DNA components (and those of my caste brethren) have 10% Maori ancestry, 10% Eskimo ancestry, 10% Hottentot ancestry, 10% Arab ancestry, 40% Steppe ancestry, and only 20% "ANI-ASI" ancestry.

3. What I strongly dispute is the automatic conclusion that certain particular DNA, Genes, Haplogroups and Clades represent certain particular languages (as if they have particular languages embedded within them as a genetic component). To continue what I wrote in my book in 2019 cited above:

The question is of language: was my Konkani language or its earliest "Indo-Aryan" form brought into India by my Maori, Eskimo, Hottentot, Steppe or Arab immigrant ancestors, or was it adopted from some sections of the "ANI-ASI" groups native to India? "Genetic evidence" does not answer this question.

The question is not even whether my "ANI-ASI" ancestors themselves were natives of India from the time of the Big Bang, or from the point of time that Tony Joseph's God said "Let there be Light". They may have come from anywhere on earth at any point of time in the remote past.

Further: the question is not even whether the Hindu or Vedic religion is fully "native" or is imported in parts. Right from ancient times, there has been import and export of religious ideas everywhere all over the world in all directions. In our Chitrapur Saraswat math at Shirali (Karnataka) there is a traditional ritual called "divṭige salām": the first word is borrowed from Kannada and the second from Muslims. When a Maharashtrian Hindu eats sabudana khichdi as a "fasting" food item when he is on a religious "fast", all the ingredients of that sabudana khichdi are of native American origin brought to India by the Portuguese: sago, potatoes, chillies and groundnuts. I have even pointed out in my books that the Soma ritual, a ritual central to the "Indo-Iranian" religion of the Rigveda and the Avesta, was imported from Central Asia, and even the even more central fire-worship (yajna) rituals were borrowed by the Vedic Aryans (Pūru) from their proto-Iranian (Anu) neighbours to their west.

The only question of relevance to our debate is: Was the Indo-European family of languages, with its twelve known historical branches, originally native to India (again not from the time of the Big Bang): i.e. did it historically develop in India and then spread out all over the world from India through migrations, or was one of these twelve branches brought in "2000-1000 BCE" by "Multiple waves of Steppe pastoralist migrants from central Asia into south Asia" as claimed by Tony Joseph and his band of super-scientists?    


And even today, that and that alone, is the relevant question. And it is significant that the three above papers, though united in their clear declarations about the genetic evidence for migrations from the Steppe areas into Europe (which fits in with the archaeological and linguistic evidence for the same), have three totally different takes (although all three are united in assuming or accepting such a migration) in respect of the question of the genetic evidence for the alleged immigration into South Asia of “Indo-Aryansin "2000-1000 BCE" by "Multiple waves of Steppe pastoralist migrants from central Asia into south Asia":

1  Of these, the first paper by Reich et al confidently claims, as is made clear in the very title of their paper, “The Genomic formation of South and Central Asia”, that their genetic data proves the movement of Indo-European (Indo-Aryan) languages into India after 2000 BCE. I have dealt with this fraudulent (if academically/politically powerful) paper in my fourth book in 2018: “Genetics and the Aryan Debate―"Early Indians", Tony Joseph's Latest Assault” (TALAGERI 2019), and, since obviously I do not expect the reader to search out and read this book in full, I am providing here the URL of chapter 7 of the book, which deals with the Reich paper and exposes its fraudulent nature:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2023/04/chapter-7-does-genetic-evidence-prove.html

 

2. The second of the two above papers, by Heggarty et al, on the other hand, is much more frank in this respect. I have dealt with this paper in my review article below:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2023/08/the-new-paper-by-heggarty-et-al-on.html

However, let me repeat here what this paper has to say about the evidence for the so-called Indo-Aryan immigration into India after 2000 BCE: in spite of completely stonewalling the Indian Homeland or OIT case, the scholars writing the paper are unable, after all their investigations, to find any evidence for the route that Indo-Aryan and even Iranian took in their alleged migration from the alleged south-of-the-Caucasus Homeland to their eastern historical habitats. They vaguely and hopefully suggest an extremely hypothetical possibility not suggested by their investigations, but in a refreshing burst of honesty almost immediately accept that the suggested scenario does not reconcile with their linguistic findings:

"Our results do not directly identify by which route Indo-Iranic spread eastward, so it remains possible that this branch spread through the steppe and Central Asia, looping north around the Caspian Sea (Fig. 1D). Recent interpretations of aDNA argue for this (49, 52), but some aspects of their scenario are not easy to reconcile with our linguistic findings."”

This is in sharp contrast to the cocky over-confidence and certainty shown by the writers of the Reich et al paper.

 

3. Now we come to the third, and latest paper, by Laziridis et al.

[I must point out that this paper in its “peer-reviewed” form as published on 5th February 2025 has not yet become available to me, but its pre-“peer-reviewed” form is available, and I am going by it:

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.04.17.589597v1

This was uploaded on 24 April 2024. If there is any striking difference between this pre-“peer-reviewed” form and the “peer-reviewed” form published three days ago on 5th February 2025, this can be brought to my notice].

This paper goes by the name “The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans”, and religiously starts its narration by repeating the kalmā ṭayyabāh of the AIT: “Between 3300-1500 BCE, people of the Yamnaya archaeological complex and their descendants, in subsequent waves of migration, spread over large parts of Eurasia, contributing to the ancestry of people of Europe, Central and South Asia, Siberia, and the Caucasus. The spread of Indo-European language and culture transformed all these regions”,

But it does not provide any further data, clarifications or elaborations of the so-called immigration of the IEs into South Asia.

It should be kept in mind that the Steppe areas, spread out roughly from Ukraine in the west to Kazakhstan in the east, have had a millenniums-long history of movements and cross-movements of groups of people of all linguistic and “racial” types moving across it from every corner of it to every other corner, and we are therefore not in the least bit concerned here with the ethnic or genetic identities of these different groups of people, or with disputing these movements. We are only concerned with the chronologies of the alleged movements of groups of people southwards into South Asia.

The URL of this latest paper has been given above, and it will be seen from any study or analysis of the paper that while it is overflowing with all kinds of detailed and technically complicated and detailed genetic data of every kind, none of it pertains to any movements of groups of people into South Asia in the relevant periods and areas: the closest the paper comes to the geography of India is the following: “The Yamnaya archaeological complex appeared around 3300BCE across the steppes north of the Black and Caspian Seas, and by 3000BCE reached its maximal extent from Hungary in the west to Kazakhstan in the east.” This appears as the very first line of the paper.

The words India, Indo-Aryan, Sanskrit, Vedic and BMAC do not appear even once in the entire paper. The phrase South Asia appears only once in the kalmā ṭayyabāh of the AIT quoted earlier, which forms the first few lines of the introduction. In fact, the paper introduces a new obfuscatory tactic into the discussion: IA is usually a short-form for Indo-Aryan: in this paper, IA is a short-form for Indo-Anatolian! The word Iranian in this paper more often than not refers to a name given to a genetic marker rather than to the Iranian branch of IE languages. The word Indo-Iranian is found only twice in general references which give no chronological or geographical clues of any kind (not even when, in the first of the two references, it talks about a “long migratory route”):

the Corded Ware culture itself can also be tentatively linked via both autosomal ancestry and R-M417 Y-chromosomes with Indo-Iranian speakers via a long migratory route that included Fatyanovo 20 and Sintashta 4,22 intermediaries.

Early Indo-European languages, Anatolian, Tocharian and Indo-Iranian    

 

In short, while paper 1 pushes a false and fraudulent genetic narration (in terms of both chronology and geography) of the alleged movement of “Indo-Aryans after 2000 BCE into India, paper 2 concedes that such a narration cannot really be provided, and paper 3 maintains a deafening silence on the matter! But, in spite of the deafening silence, it is clear that since it postulates the “maximal extent [of spread of the assumed Yamnaya IE movement] from Hungary in the west to Kazakhstan in the east” to a date “3000BCE”, the assumed (but determinedly unelaborated) chronology of the further alleged Indo-Aryan movement into India as per this paper would also be around or after 2000 BCE.

There is no sense in analyzing or discussing the genetic data in this paper since it cleverly evades the main point: the exact chronology, time-table and itinerary of this alleged migration into South Asia is completely avoided in this paper.

The only thing we can do, since, as pointed out above, this paper also (without expressly saying so) supports the post-2000BCE date, is to again note how this date completely invalidates the AIT case and conclusively proves the OIT case. This is from two points of fact and data:

I. The Chronology and Linguistic state of the Rigveda.

II. The representative IE nature of the Rigvedic language and culture as compared to other IE languages and cultures.

 

I. The Chronology and Linguistic State of the Rigveda

All this is a reiteration of what I have been saying in all my books and articles, but (since memories are short) it bears repeated reiteration and emphasis. But rather than copying out whole articles, I will just cite those articles, which give the unshakable evidence placing the Rigveda geographically located spread out over the area from westernmost UP and Haryana in the east to Afghanistan in the west, in the period of the New Rigveda, at least from around  2500 BCE onwards; and before that even farther east, originally restricted to westernmost UP and Haryana, during the period of the Old Rigveda, from well before 3000 BCE, with very specific data about the historically recorded westward expansion of the Vedic Aryans from Haryana to Afghanistan:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2024/03/the-finality-of-mitanni-evidence.html

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/01/chapter-4-internal-chronology-of-rigveda.html

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/08/final-version-of-chronological-gulf.html 

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-logic-of-rigvedic-geography_6.html 

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2020/04/the-identity-of-enemies-of-sudas-in.html 

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2021/05/the-dasarajna-battle-or-battle-of-ten.html 

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-varsagira-battle-in-rigveda.html

It is frankly impossible for anyone to be able to disprove all this massive and incontrovertible data which takes the beginnings of Rigvedic composition beyond 3000 BCE in an area originally restricted to westernmost UP and Haryana.

Firther, as I have repeatedly pointed out, even during this period beyond 3000 BCE:

a) there is no memory in the Rigveda of any external (to India) areas or of their own alleged external origins,

b) no references to non-IE language speaking people in their area (whether as friends or foes) let alone as their predecessors in the area invaded and conquered by themselves, and

c) all the rivers and animals in their area have purely Indo-European(Indo-Aryan) names.

This situation is totally incompatible with any theory which brings the “Indo-Aryan” languages into India from the north (via Central Asia) and through the northwest (via Afghanistan), not only after 2000 BCE, but even after 3000 BCE or 4000 BCE.

Therefore, all these “genetic studies” and “reports”, which try to do just that, purely on the basis of arguments based on “genetic data” are clearly wrong, and either hopelessly misguided and ignorant or deliberately and fraudulently fake.

 

II. The representative IE nature of the Rigvedic language and culture as compared to other IE languages and cultures.

Another point which simply cannot be overemphasized is that this very late and practically (archaeologically) invisible so-called immigration/invasion is also totally incompatible with the representative IE nature of the Rigvedic language and culture as compared to other IE languages and cultures.

This is a factor which no-one seems to take into consideration. In most AIT scenarios, the Indo-Aryans are not only late immigrants into India in terms of other Indian cultures, but also latecomers in terms of the alleged dates of immigration of other IE groups into their historical habitats.

This incomprehensible quirk was shared even by Hindu invasionists like Lokmanya Tilak, who located the Original Homeland in the Arctic region. He not only had the “Aryans” invading India from so far away an area as the Arctic region, but he even has the “Aryans” entering India last of all, long after all the other Indo-European groups had already reached their historical habitats:

Tilak locates the original homeland in the Arctic region from “remote geological times” till “the destruction of the original Arctic home by the last Ice Age” in “10000-8000 BC”.  The period from “8000-5000 BC” was “the age of migration from the original home.  The survivors of the Aryan race roamed over the northern parts of Europe and Asia in search of new lands”.

By 5000 BCE, according to Tilak, the Aryans were divided into two groups.  One group consisted of “the primitive Aryans in Europe […] as represented by Swiss Lake Dwellers”, and the other group consisted of the “Asiatic Aryans […] probably settled on the Jaxartes”, still in Central Asia, on their way towards India!

Thus, the “Aryan” colonisation of India as per Tilak took place long after the “Aryan” colonization of Europe, Central Asia and Iran.  Far from being the original Aryan homeland, India, according to Tilak, was practically the last land to be colonized by the “Aryans”.

Most AIT scenarios, especially the three scenarios outlined in these three Genetics papers, also have the Indo-Aryans leaving the other IE branches in far-off lands, and travelling for almost two thousand years through different areas inhabited by different other (non-IE) people and getting mixed with them or influenced by them, and then finally, after a sojourn in Central Asia, migrating into the areas of the Harappan civilization and replacing the original language and culture in those areas (while of course being influenced by the local people as well), and then developing total amnesia about all their earlier history, before (over a period of a few hundred years) composing the Rigveda. The IE culture that survives in the Rigveda, by the logic of this narrative, should be a very remarkably diluted and “adulterated” form of the original IE language and culture that these Indo-Aryans shared with the other IE groups in distant times and areas.

But the actual facts show quite the opposite. The language and culture of the Rigveda, in fact look as if they are hot out of the PIE oven, or still lying in that oven. In almost every respect that matters, the Rigvedic language and culture most closely and fully represents the original PIE language and culture, and individually shares more original features with the different other branches than those branches share with each other. And this becomes clear from the study of almost every aspect of language and culture. We will examine some of them:

A. General Vocabulary.

B. Mythology.

C. Pastoral culture.

D. Wheel and cart technology.

 

II.A. General Vocabulary

Right from the beginning, those studying the IE vocabulary have noted what I wrote in my very first book: “A study of the Sanskrit lexicon shows that it contains the largest number of proto-Indo-European roots and words, in their primary sense as well as in the form of secondary derivatives. And an overwhelmingly greater number of words, in various Indo-European languages belonging to different branches, have cognates in Sanskrit roots and words than in the roots and words of any other branch—often the etymology of words in different languages can be derived only from a consideration of Sanskrit roots and words.” (TALAGERI 1993:114).

One of the pioneers of IE studies (even if somewhat outdated now), Childe, gave a list of 72 cognate PIE words as follows: Sanskrit 70, Greek 48, Germanic 46, Italic 40, Baltic 39, Celtic 25, Slavic 16, Armenian 15, Tocharian 8 (CHILDE 1926:91-93)

Even in grammatical categories, Vedic (and Avestan) had "three genders, three numbers and eight cases, the fullest representation of the Indo- European system" (LOCKWOOD 1972:215): PIE: 3-3-8; Vedic: 3-3-8; Avestan: 3-3-8; Hittite: 2-2-8; Greek: 3-3-5; Italic Latin: 3-2-6; Celtic: 3-3-5; Germanic Gothic: 3-2-4; Old Church Slavic: 3-3-7; Old Armenian: 0-2-7; Albanian Illyrian: 3-2-6; Tocharian: 3-3-4.

Griffith puts it in a nutshell as follows in the preface to the first edition of his translation of the Rigveda: "The great interest of the Ṛgveda is, in fact, historical rather than poetical. As in its original language we see the roots and shoots of the languages of Greek and Latin, of Kelt, Teuton and Slavonian, so the deities, the myths, and the religious beliefs and practices of the Veda throw a flood of light upon the religions of all European countries before the introduction of Christianity."

Now Nicholas Kazanas and Koenraad Elst have shown in detail that Vedic/Sanskrit is the only language, among all the IE branch languages, which has organic coherence in the formation of words, in the form of an enormous number of basic and productive verbal roots or dhātus (about 700 dhātus, of which more than 200 are very productive roots) each producing a rich family of lexemes (i.e. distinct verbs, nouns, adjectives, all derived from the same root) while other languages only have isolated words without discernible roots (except through Sanskrit dhātus) or lexemes.

For example, Mallory points out that the common IE words for the bear come from a PIE root *h­2ṛetk- (PIE *h­2ṛtkos, Vedic ṛkṣa-, Avestan arəšə-, Greek arktos, Latin ursus, Old Irish art, Armenian ar, Hittite hartagga), and this root "is otherwise seen only in Skt. rakṣas- 'destruction, damage, night demon'" (MALLORY-ADAMS 2006:138). It is not found in any other IE language (in all of which the word for the bear is an isolated word with no discernible root or lexemes) while the Sanskrit root √ṛkṣ- produces many nouns, verbs, adjectives, etc.

Kazanas shows that Sanskrit alone has the roots and lexemes for many very common PIE words such as foot, name, father, son, daughter, etc., etc.

 

II.B. Mythology.

The mythology of the Rigveda represents the most primitive and primeval form of Indo-European mythology: as Macdonell puts it, for example, the Vedic gods "are nearer to the physical phenomena which they represent, than the gods of any other Indo-European mythology" (MACDONELL 1963:15). In fact, in the majority of cases, the original nature myths, in which the mythological entities and the mythological events are rooted, can be identified or traced only through the form in which the myths are represented in the Rigveda. As we saw above, Griffith notes that “the deities, the myths, and the religious beliefs and practices of the Veda throw a flood of light upon the religions of all European countries before the introduction of Christianity.

1. If we take a list of common deities found in more than one IE mythologies, all the other Indo-European mythologies, individually, have numerous mythological elements in common with Vedic mythology, but very few with each other; and even these few (except those borrowed from each other by neighboring languages in ancient but historical times, such as the Greek god Apollo, borrowed by the Romans) are usually ones which are also found in Vedic mythology.

In a list of 19 common deities in my article "The Full Out-of- India Case in Short": Vedic (19), Greek (9), Avestan (7), Germanic (7), Roman (4), Baltic (4),  Slavic (3), Celtic (2), Hittite (1), Albanian (1). Any other representative list (see also Kazanas) will show a very similar picture.

2. Not only are Vedic deities the only ones to have clear cognates in all the other branches, but in many cases, it is almost impossible to recognize the connections between related mythological entities and events in two separate Indo- European mythologies without a comparison of the two with the related Vedic versions. For example, the Teutonic (Germanic) Vanir are connected with the Greek Hermes and Pan, but it is impossible to connect the two except through the Vedic Saramā and Paṇi (see TALAGERI 2000:477-495 for details). The Teutonic and Greek versions bear absolutely no similarities with each other, but are both, individually, clearly recognizable as developments of the original Vedic Saramā-Paṇi myth.

3. Iranian mythology, which should share to some extent at least the same character as Vedic mythology (since it is held, according to the AIT, that it was the undivided Indo-Iranians, and not the Indo-Aryans alone, who separated from the other Indo-European groups in South Russia and migrated to Central Asia where they shared a common culture and religion), on the contrary, has no elements in common with other Indo-European mythologies (other than with Vedic mythology itself). The Avestan mythology stands aloof from all other Indo-European mythologies and is connected only to Vedic mythology.

 

II.C. Pastoral culture

Finally, we come to that animal which is most central to the Indo-European ethos: much more central than the horse: i.e. the cow. In spite of all the rhetoric about "Aryans" and their horses, it is the cow which is central to the identity of the "pastoral Aryans". The cow/bull/cattle is probably the only animal (other than the dog, domesticated from prehistoric times) which has a form of the reconstructed PIE name in every single branch: PIE *gwṓus,  Indo-Aryan Skt. gáuh, Iranian Av. gāuš, Armenian kov, Greek boûs,  Albanian ka, Anatolian Hier.Luw. wawa-, Tocharian keu, Italic Latin bōs, Celtic Old Irish , Germanic German kuh, Baltic Lithuanian guovs, Slavic OCS govedo (MALLORY 2006:139-140)

Gamkrelidze, an advocate of the Anatolian Homeland theory, points out that "the economic function of the cow as a dairy animal can be reconstructed for a period of great antiquity" (GAMKRELIDZE 1995:485), and further that "The presence of cows and bulls among domestic animals goes back to an ancient period well before the domestication of the wild horse. Evidence of domesticated bulls and cows is found by the beginning of the Neolithic" (GAMKRELIDZE 1995:489).

Significantly, the Vedic-Harappan area is one of "two centers of domestication" of the cow (i.e. of domestic cattle), and they are not the subject of any controversy. The wikipedia article on "Cattle" unambiguously tells us: "Archeozoological and genetic data indicate that cattle were first domesticated from wild aurochs (Bos primigenius) approximately 10,500 years ago. There were two major areas of domestication: one in the area that is now Turkey, giving rise to the taurine line, and a second in the area that is now Pakistan, resulting in the indicine line [….] European cattle are largely descended from the taurine lineage". All other academic sources regularly point out that "the Indus Valley Civilization" was one of the two centers of domestication of cattle.

The Sanskrit language contains every single common IE word associated with cows and cattle, except, significantly, the "Near Eastern migratory term" taurus borrowed from Semitic according to Gamkrelidze (which were borrowed by the western IE branches as they migrated westwards from India).

Mallory  (MALLORY 2006:139-140) tells us there are three different words for "cow" in the IE languages, *gwṓus, *h1eĝh, and *wokéha-. The first, as we saw, is found in all the twelve branches. As for the other 7 words for cow, bull, cattle, they are found in Indo-Aryan  +  different other branches:

a. *h1eĝh "cow": Skt. ahī-, Armenian ezn, Celtic (Old Irish) ag.

b. *wokéha- "cow": Skt. vaśā-, Italic (Latin) vacca.

c. *phekhu- "livestock": Skt. paśu-, Iranian (Avestan) pasu-, Italic (Latin) pecū, Germanic (Old English) feoh, Baltic (Lithuanian) pēkus.

d. *uk(w)sēn "ox": Skt. ukṣan-, Iranian (Avestan) uxšan, Tocharian okso, Germanic (English) ox, Celtic (Old Irish) oss.

e. *wṛs-en "bull": Skt. vṛṣṇí-, Iranian (Avestan) varəšna-.

f. *usr- "cow/bull": Skt. usra/usrā, Germanic ūro (from ūrochso).

g. *domhoyos "young bull":  Skt. damya-, Celtic (Old Irish) dam, Albanian dem, Greek damálēs.

The tally:

Indo-Aryan: 8

Iranian: 4

Germanic: 4

Celtic: 4

Italic: 3

Greek: 2

Armenian: 2

Albanian: 2

Baltic: 2

Tocharian: 2

Anatolian: 1

Slavic: 1

Ironically, the two branches located in the two contending battle areas, in the Steppes and in Anatolia, are the last in the list.

There are other words of pastoral importance found in only some branches, where again  Indo-Aryan is the common factor, but this much is enough to illustrate the point.

 

II.D. Wheel and Cart Technology.

The wheel-related word list (8 common IE words)

https://armchairprehistory.com/2011/05/25/indo-european-wheel-words/


Indo-Aryan: 8.

Iranian: 8 (only because Indo-Iranian counted as one)..

Germanic: 7.

Italic: 6.

Greek: 6 (one of them doubtful).

Celtic: 5.

Slavic: 5.

Baltic: 5  (one of them doubtful).

Tocharian: 4 (two of them doubtful).

Anatolian: 3  (one of them doubtful).

Albanian: 2.

Armenian: 2.

 

Or as per a more “peer-reviewed” paper (article by Lubotsky):

https://www.cambridge.org/core/books/abs/indoeuropean-puzzle-revisited/indoeuropean-and-indoiranian-wagon-terminology-and-the-date-of-the-indoiranian-split/ADBF07BCD6447A00E1B5E3EE4E128FA7 

we can reconstruct five words of wheel and wagon termin-

ology for Proto-Indo-European (PIE), viz. the words for

‘wheel’ (2×), ‘axle’, ‘thill’, and the verb ‘to convey in a

vehicle’:

1. – PIE *kʷekʷlo- ‘wheel’ (Skt. cakrá-, YAv. caxra-, ON hvél, Gr.

κύκλος; Toch. B kokale ‘wagon’);

2. – PIE *HrotHo- ‘wheel’ (Lat. rota, OIr. roth, OHG rad, Lith. rãtas

‘wheel’, rataĩ pl. ‘chariot’; Skt. rátha- and YAv. raϑa- ‘chariot’);

3. – PIE *h 2 eḱs- ‘axle’ (Skt. ákṣa-, Gr. ἄξων, Lat. axis, OE eax);

4. – PIE *h 2 eiHs- ‘pole, thill’ (Skt. īṣā́-, YAv. aēša, Hitt. ḫišša-, Sln.

oję̑ , Lith. íena; Gr. οἴαξ ‘handle’);

5. – PIE *ueǵʰ- ‘to convey in a vehicle’ (Skt. vah-, Av. vaz-, Gr.

(Pamph.) ϝεχέτω, Lat. uehō, Lith. vežù, OCS vezǫ; OHG wegan

‘to move’).

This list can be extended with at least five more terms:

1. – PIE *iug- ‘yoke’ (Skt. yugá-, YAv. yuua-, Hitt. iūk-, Gr. ζυγόν,

Lat. iugum, OS juk, OCS igo);

2. – PIE *ieug- ‘to yoke, harness’ (Skt. yuj-, Av. yuj-, Gr. ζεύγνῡμι,

Lat. iungō, Lith. jùngti);

3. – PIE *dʰur- ‘joint, pivot of the chariot pole and the yoke’ (Skt.

dhúr- ‘joint of the chariot pole and the yoke, the pole and the

yoke together’, Hitt. tūrii̯e/a- zi ‘to harness’), possibly identical

with the word for ‘door’, if it originally meant ‘pivot’;

4. – PIE *h 3 nebʰ- ‘wheel hub’ (Skt. nábhya-, OPr. nabis, OHG

naba);

5. – PIE *ḱomieh 2 - ‘yoke pin’ (Skt. śámyā-, YAv. simā-, Arm. samik’

‘pair of yoke sticks’, sametik’ ‘yoke band’ (unless an Iranian

LW), Eng. hame ‘horse collar’, which has replaced the yoke with

the pins rather recently).

As per Lubotsky’s list of 10 common IE words:

Indo-Aryan 10:  5+5

Iranian 7:  4+3

Greek 6:  4+2

Germanic 6:  4+2

Baltic 5:  3+2

Italic 5:  3+2

Hittite 4:  2+2

Slavic 3:  2+1

Celtic 1:  1+0

Tocharian 1:  1+0

Armenian 1:  0+1

Albanian 0:  0+0.

 

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