Monday 30 January 2023

Nodhās Gotama in the Avesta: An Error in my 2008 Book on the Avesta Corrected

 

 

Nodhās Gotama in the Avesta: An Error in my 2008 Book on the Avesta Corrected

 Shrikant G. Talageri

 

 A very short article (if it can be called that) to record a correction to a statement in my book "The Rigveda and the Avesta — The Final Evidence" (2008).

 A friend brought to my notice the following exchange on twitter:



My friend asked me also to check the reference. And, although over-smart textbook-worms like the "Akshay" above who give pompous opinions on my writings do not generally merit my attention, I did check out the reason why "Screwdriver babu" above was not able to locate the reference in the Avesta. And I find that I have indeed made a faux pas in my book in 2008. The Avestan evidence is not wrong, but the verse quoted by me is incorrect, and, while I do not know how the mistake arose (some confusion in my notes), the mistake has to be corrected, and to that extent I am grateful to "Screwdriver babu" for bringing the mistake to my attention thereby enabling me to make this correction.

In my book in 2008, I have written: "according to Yasna 9.10, Zaraθuštra engaged Nāiδiiāoŋha Gaotəma in debate, and defeated him." (TALAGERI 2008:47). The reference is wrong. As I wrote above, I cannot understand how I made this mistake, especially since I have given the correct reference in my earlier book in 2000 (see below), but since it has been luckily brought to my notice, I can and must correct it:

"Nādhyāongha Gaotema (Nodhās Gautama) is mentioned in the early Yašts (Farvardīn Yašt, Yt.13.16) as a priest defeated by Zarathuštra in debate.  While many scholars ignore or reject the identification of the word Nādhyāongha with Nodhās, the identity of the second word as the name of an enemy priest, (a) Gaotema, is not disputed by anyone"  (TALAGERI 2000:221).

I apologize for the mistake, but it is a mistake of citing the wrong verse from the Avesta: the point that I had made (about the earliest Avesta being contemporaneous with the New Rigveda) remains correct.

 

Postscript 2-2-2023:

A follow-up to the above:

 

 

In Konkani (and possibly in Marathi) "lol" means to lie around or roll sluggishly on the floor. And the above provides a perfect illustration of the pointless comments by slugs which regularly take place on twitter and the reason why I don't "care much" about rolling in this swamp.

It was not "Akshay"'s  criticism that I was answering (I specifically clarified that such "pompous opinions on my writings do not generally merit my attention ") but "screwdriver babu"'s inadvertent notice of my mistake, and nor was it my hypersensitivity that I was demonstrating (whether or not I am hypersensitive can be a matter of opinion). In this case, I myself had made an error in my book and it is my propensity to make and present corrections if my mistakes are pointed out in my lifetime and are brought to my notice, something such people cannot be capable of comprehending.

 

BIBLIOGRAPHY:

TALAGERI 2000: The Rigveda: A Historical Analysis. Talageri, Shrikant G. Aditya Prakashan (New Delhi), 2000.

TALAGERI 2008: The Rigveda and the Avesta―The Final Evidence. Talageri, Shrikant G. Aditya Prakashan, New Delhi, 2008.

 

13 comments:

  1. Sir a sanskrit scholar and a cryptographer have claimed to have successfully deciphered the Indus script using cryptogram. It will only help the OIT case. If possible can you please review the quality of sanskrit in the inscriptions?
    Link of the paper - https://www.academia.edu/78867798/Deciphering_Indus_script_as_a_cryptogram

    Twitter @yajnadevam

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  2. Sir, I am in deep awe of your unparalleled work. I would like to ask you if I can access the complete OIT model as proposed by you which would explain the entire history of The Indian subcontinent and Indo-European languages just like how the Aryan Migrationists propose the Kurgan hypothesis or the Anatolian hypothesis, how the different branches spread and their hypothetical chronology if possible. You can give reference to an earlier work of yours elucidating this if that is the case.

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    1. My articles like "A Guide to Fiction Set in the Mature Harappan=New Rigvedic Period:", "The Full Out-of-India Case in Short", "The Aryan Story vs. True Aryan History" (apart from many chapters from my books) spell out the OIT model in different ways.

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    2. Shrikant Talageri's OIT model cannot explain the entire history of the Indian subcontinent because his chronology is wrong ( many other scholars have proposed different eras ) and he is narrowingly focusing on Aryan issue and its homeland. His works are sufficient to disprove the AIT/AMT and show the PIE urheimat in NW India. Thats all about it.

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    3. Voltore was so eager to put in his troll comment that he did not read what Saptarishi had asked: it was not about the entire history of the Indian subcontinent as such, but only in the context of "the complete OIT model...and Indo-European languages just like how the Aryan migrationists propose the Kurgan hypothesis or the Anatolian hypothesis". I only write about the data and therefore cannot write about exactly what was happening over the entire subcontinent, not just the South but even the Ikshvaku areas since there is no contemporary text like the Rigveda for those areas, anymore than the Kurgan or Anatolian hypotheses tell us the entire history of those areas. For the entire history of the Indian subcontinent (and without any wrong chronology), we must await Voltore's brilliant forthcoming book.

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    5. @Shrikant Sir, Hittite people do have tajik ancestry.do u think this is source of mongoloid features in hittite?there is no other central asian ancestry in hittite.

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    6. I was not aware that Hittites are supposed to have Tajik ancestry, and if it is so that is definitely evidence that they moved into West Asia from the northeast (Central Asia). Please give me the source article for this if you know it.

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    7. https://twitter.com/agenetics1/status/1554410872100950017?s=20&t=QboKFKQtLVa8wEKv-EcIaw

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    8. https://twitter.com/agenetics1/status/1554411221297680384?s=20&t=QboKFKQtLVa8wEKv-EcIaw

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    9. @Shrikant Sir,In sumerian text.there is place called aratta.whose king is ensukeshdanna.some people speculate that this king lived in punjab or gandhara.because Sumerians also mention that aratta is very wealthy place and lapis lazuli also found there and its very difficult to reach there.if u know anything about aratta plz do share your thoughts with us.

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  3. Dear Mr Talageri,
    I found this post in another forum. You may like to comment on it

    https://www.quora.com/Did-the-so-called-Aryan-migration-really-happen

    Mahadevan

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