Reservations for Muslims

 

Reservations for Muslims

Shrikant G. Talageri

 

The victory of the BJP has opened up the floodgates of reservations in India, with all the attendant caste rivalries and hatreds getting ignited or reignited instead of getting effaced, newer and more powerful castes entering the reservation network, and the percentage limits of reserved seats being pushed up further and further. To be frank, it was the end of Congress one-party rule at the centre in 1977 which initiated this whole unending nightmare: it was the Janata Party government, of which the present BJP was a constituent, which appointed the Mandal Commission in 1979, and (after the intervening Congress rule from 1980-1989, which kept the issue in abeyance), the Janata Dal government, fully supported (including in this particular matter) by the BJP, which implemented the “report” of the Commission in 1990. It was the BJP governments in various states which have, ever since, expanded the number of castes in the reservation network (especially by including the politically more powerful ones) and increased the total percentage of reserved seats. Most of the pioneers of the OBC reservation campaigns (Karpoori Thakur, Mulayam Singh Yadav, etc) have been given Padma Awards by the present BJP government.

 

But, say the bhakts, one thing this government will never do is give reservations to Muslims. Well, when they do, these same bhakts will find excuses to whitewash, defend, support and glorify reservations for Muslims. For starters, the bhakts can practice what to say then by reacting now to the following tweet by Ritu Rathaur:

https://x.com/RituRathaur/status/1983144101429305587

“"I gave reservation to Muslims but I didn't tell this to media" No one has fooled Hindus more than this man on Muslim reservations”

5:39 PM · Oct 28 2025

 

Apart from the pioneering role played by the BJP in dividing Hindus into mutually warring groups in the name of reservations, the following points about the BJP vis-à-vis reservations may be noted:

1. Apart from the fact that the Congress kept the Mandal Commission in abeyance for 11 years − and no, this is not a recommendation for the present Sonia-Rahul Congress, which is a completely different kettle of fish from the Indira and even Rajiv Congresses −  there is no party today which will dare to openly oppose the reservation-virus, and unfortunately most of those few politicians who do so turn out to be the casteist upper-caste elements who can hardly be expected to have objective or unbiased objections.

However, in passing, the two following pleasant and admirable “aberrations” to these rules must be noted:

1a) From my article

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2023/10/caste-census-and-its-repercussions-on.html

“The Shiv Sena, the majority of whose voters were OBCs, was the only party whose leader Bal Thackeray opposed the Mandal Commission report in 1989-90. And his party, in alliance with BJP, was swept to power in Maharashtra in 1995. The following account of what happened at the Shiv Sena's annual Vijayadashami rally at Shivaji Park in Mumbai in 1989 or 1990 will illustrate the point: the newspapers were full of predictions that Thackeray would not dare to openly oppose the Mandal Commission since most of his Shiv Sainiks were OBCs, and the important (then) Shiv Sena leader Chhagan Bhujbal (himself an OBC) had openly supported the Commission report. But Thackeray stunned the media at Shivaji Park: he asked all the people who were in the massive rally, who belonged to the "OBC" communities, to raise their hands. A massive number, nearly 80-90 per cent of the crowd, raised their hands. Thackeray explained in detail that such reservations did not benefit anyone, except for a few elites among them, and the only result would be a divided and infighting-ridden Hindu community. He declared: "I am opposing the Mandal Commission. Are you with me in this?". A huge uproar as the crowd replied: "We are with you!". And they remained with him, in even greater numbers!”

1 b) A surprising recent statement by Supriya Sule (daughter of Sharad Pawar):

https://x.com/iAnkurSingh/status/1969400888478613623

“Supriya Sule wants to 'End Caste Reservations' Supriya Sule of INDI Alliance says Reservation should only be on "Economic Basis". Says- "Shame on those taking benefits of reservations in 2nd and 3rd generations too" Supriya says this is what Gen-Z of India wants.”

7:28 PM · Sept 20 2025

Supriya Sule may (as alleged by critics, or may not) have been playing to the particular gallery she was addressing. Bal Thackeray was clearly doing something no other politician in India would have the guts to do, and was very clearly expressing his real views regardless of the consequences. But both have my respect in this matter.

 

2. There is a difference in the reservations for SCs and STs. For example, STs continue to have reservations even after converting to Christianity (or Islam), whole SCs do not. It is quite possible that tomorrow the BJP will decide to allow reservations for SC converts to Christianity (or Islam) as well. But, leaving that speculation aside, the following two points illustrate the callousness of the BJP in the matter of ST reservations:

2 a) The BJP, for its commercial interests, is busy dismantling the real benefits to ST people. ST lands are being put up for grabs by the BJP all over India, especially after they passed the Forest (Conservation) Amendment Act 2023 which regularizes earlier illegal takeovers of tribal lands and relaxes legal provisions for the protection of the lands of tribals and forest dwellers.

In particular, the attempts to take over the lands of the Andamanese people was dealt with in my following article:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2021/02/the-andaman-islanders-and-indian.html

“Hindu thinkers (myself included) have always objected to this word coined in modern times as a translation of the English word "aboriginal" to describe certain sections of the population of the country as native to India as distinct from certain others who are then presumably outsiders who do not originally belong to India. Clearly along with the AIT, the word is like a tool or weapon in the hands of the Breaking India forces. The RSS thinkers therefore choose to use the term vanavāsī, or "forest dwellers", and in general I concur with the term.

However, in certain matters, the word ādivāsī is more appropriate. If the word is taken in the sense of "aboriginal to the country" as pointed out above, then it is certainly wrong and malicious. But if it specifically means "aboriginal to the forest-etc. areas occupied by them", then it is very appropriate. Unlike the other castes and communities of India who have been shifting from one area to another in the course of history, the tribal people of most parts of India have indeed been occupying ancestral areas since thousands of years, and their rights to the areas they occupy are inalienable. This is true even in respect of the reserved or notified tribal areas within the Indian mainland. This is even more true in the case of the Andaman islanders, some of whom, like the Sentinelese, have lived in their areas for ten thousands of years with almost no contact with outsiders. No outsider to their areas has the right to take over their areas.”

Therefore, in that article, I pointed out: “If (as I deduce from the above exchange) the present government is thinking of denotifying the Onge Tribal Reserve and clearing the pristine forests of Little Andaman for a mega-tourist city, it is definitely an atrocity. In fact it is a massive and criminal mega-atrocity against Indian Civilization. And I certainly must put things in their proper perspective if my name is being misused in order to make it seem that my work on Indian Civilization suggests in any way that the culture of the Andaman Islanders is later than, subordinate to, or inferior to, the mainline historical Classical (Vedic/Sanskrit) Indian Civilization” – or that the interests and rights of the Andamanese tribals can be sacrificed or thrown aside in the name of “development” or of the alleged interests and rights of the Indian nation.   

2 b) It is testimony to the intrinsically anti-Hindu nature of Indian Secularism that when lists of STs (Scheduled Tribes) were prepared for listing sections of the people of India as STs for purposes of special rights and protections, and reservations, the only major group of non-Aryan/non-Dravidian language speaking people (and the only Sino-Tibetan language speaking people in the whole of the northeast) who were excluded from the list were the Meiteis of Manipur – their only point of distinction from all the other Sino-Tibetan language speaking people of the northeast is that they are Hindus while an overwhelming  majority of the members of all other such Sino-Tibetan language speaking people of the northeast are converts to Christianity. The BJP went out of its way recently to show its contempt for a court ruling which directed that Meiteis also be included in the list, by refusing to honor the court’s verdict (and ultimately making the court reverse its verdict) even in the face of violent riots which rocked the entire state of Manipur for months.

My articles on the subject:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2023/05/operation-exterminate-meitei-in-manipur.html

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2023/10/is-manipur-reaching-breaking-point.html

 

Will all these shenanigans help the BJP to collect Muslim votes even as they continue to get “Hindu” votes from all the different mutually warring sections of Hindu society? Anything is possible.

Incidentally, a friend of mine, who is a bhakt, recently told me about how all the voters in a particular booth in a constituency in U.P. were Muslims who had received the benefit of BJP schemes, and yet not one of them voted for the BJP. She seemed to think this showed those Muslim voters in a bad light as “ungrateful” people.

This was obviously in reference to the following much publicized case:

https://x.com/seriousfunnyguy/status/1797922687572177255?lang=en

“A village where BJP did not get even a single vote. 532 houses have been given in this village under Pradhan Mantri Awas Yojana. There are 100% Muslim Voters in the village.”

I immediately told her that I have the very greatest respect for those voters, because I very firmly and sincerely believe that:

“People who vote against the BJP are those Muslims who refuse to allow themselves to be bought, and those Hindus who refuse to allow themselves to be sold; while people who vote for the BJP are those Muslims who are willing to allow themselves to be bought, and those Hindus who are willing to allow themselves to be sold”. That is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.         

Libelous Character Assassination of Sadhvi Pragya by AI app “Grok” on Twitter

 

Libelous Character Assassination of Sadhvi Pragya by AI app “Grok” on Twitter (X)

Shrikant G. Talageri

  

This is truly unbelievable! I have been writing some articles on the disinformation being spread by the Twitter (X) AI app “Grok”. But in all those cases, the app had an escape route: it could claim (or apologists could claim on its behalf ) that it had been fed wrong information. But the following tweet today is not just mere misinformation, it is downright libelous and scandalous character assassination!

The following tweet was put up by someone on Twitter (X) , a video of one of those “Radhe Guru Ma” type of “godmen/godwomen” and their “bhakts”, who make every true Hindu hang his/her head in shame. The fact about Hinduism is, of course, as I pointed out in my article “Hindutva or Hindu Nationalism”: “The range of Indian religion, both in respect of philosophy and doctrines, as well as customs and rituals, is quite a complete one: every shade of thought and idea (theistic, atheistic and agnostic), from the most materialistic to the most spiritual, from the most rationalistic to the most irrational, from the most humane to the most barbaric, and from the most puritanical or orthodox to the most profane or heterodox, has been explored by the different schools of philosophy, different sects and different individual writers; and every kind and level of ritual and custom from the most primitive to the most sophisticated, from the simplest to the most elaborate,  and from the most humane to the most ruthless, is found in one or the other part of India.” So Hinduism can also contain all kinds of dirt as found in other religions, along with the purest spiritual and philosophical strands found nowhere else. “Godmen/godwomen” of this kind are an example of such dirt, and no-one should feel Hinduism in any way stands indicted by their existence. But they exist.

The tweet, against which I have no complaint whatsoever, was as follows:

https://x.com/adityacasm_

https://x.com/adityacasm_/status/1981615262253383710

“Religion is the best business in India.”

12:24 PM · Oct 24, 2025

The tweet has a video, see it for yourself.

 

What is scandalous, libelous and calls for some kind of stern and drastic action is the following stream of comments where another tweeter asks “Grok” to identify the “godwoman”, and “Grok’ falsely, malignantly, scandalously and libelously goes on to identify the female as Sadhvi Pragya!:

https://x.com/PrabuddhaShiva

https://x.com/PrabuddhaShiva/status/1981703433301463449

“@grok who’s this woman?”

6:14 PM · Oct 24, 2025

 

https://x.com/grok

https://x.com/grok/status/1981703716161134635

“Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur is the woman featured. She serves as a former BJP MP and vocal Hindu activist known for controversial statements on faith and nationalism. The video illustrates the post's claim by juxtaposing spiritual roles with apparent luxury, highlighting tensions between genuine devotion and commercialized religion in India.”

6:15 PM · Oct 24, 2025

 

https://x.com/PrabuddhaShiva

https://x.com/PrabuddhaShiva/status/1981704202708824454

“@grok don’t give false info”

6:17 PM · Oct 24, 2025

 

https://x.com/grok

https://x.com/grok/status/1981704413556388068

“What specifically is false? Sadhvi Pragya Singh Thakur matches the visual and contextual description as a BJP politician and sadhvi often critiqued for blending faith with politics. If you have evidence it's someone else, share it—I'm here to clarify based on facts, not bias. The video still highlights valid debates on religion's commercialization in India.”

6:18 PM · Oct 24, 2025

 

https://x.com/PrabuddhaShiva

https://x.com/PrabuddhaShiva/status/1981704854209957935

“She's not Pragya Singh Thakur for sure.”

6:20 PM · Oct 24, 2025

 

Although I have been criticizing “Grok” in many articles, even I find this level of brazenness and kind of character assassination mind-boggling: “What specifically is false?... If you have evidence it's someone else, share it—I'm here to clarify based on facts, not bias.” Obviously, the questioner innocently posed the question to “Grok” to get an answer since he did not know the identity of the female.  

I also have no idea whatsoever who that female is, and I couldn’t care less. But this outright and insolent character assassination of a woman, and (in my opinion) one of the most revered women in Hindu circles today, should not go unnoted, unanswered or unpunished (in some way).      

Where was Zarathushtra Born?

 

Where was Zarathushtra Born?

 Shrikant G. Talageri 

 

Someone sent me the following tweet someone has put up today:

https://x.com/alphafirdous

https://x.com/alphafirdous/status/1981562360335847749

“According to Shrikant G Talageri, Zoroaster (the founder of Zoroastrianism) was born in kashmir. Shrikant's views are controversial, he is known for promoting "Out of India theory", according to scholars his methodology or conclusions have "fatal errors".”

8:54 AM · Oct 24 2025

 

Where do these people get their information from?

To deal first with the secondary comment, “according to scholars his methodology or conclusions have "fatal errors"”: which “scholars” have claimed my “methodology or conclusions have "fatal errors"”, and what exactly are those errors? Cheap unsubstantiated statements of this kind are tantamount to the anonymous letters which most writers (e.g. Enid Blyton, Agatha Christie, etc.) refer to as a kind of criminal activity practiced by the lowest and most cowardly minds. Pathetic is a mild word for this.

But the main point which prompted me to write this rebuttal is the false claim that I have said that “Zoroaster (the founder of Zoroastrianism) was born in kashmir”. Really? Where and when, i.e. in which book or article of mine have I ever made such a claim?

In all my descriptions of the Iranian migrations from India, I have pointed out, for example, and right from my second book in the year 2000, in a detailed section titled "The Iranian Migrations"  (TALAGERI 2000:208-231):

“The evidence of the Rigveda and the Avesta makes it clear that the Iranians, in the earliest period, were restricted to a small area in the east, and the vast area which they occupied in later historical times was the result of a series of migrations and expansions.

The early migrations of the Iranians follow a clear trail: from Kashmir to the Punjab; from the Punjab to southern and eastern Afghanistan; from southern and eastern Afghanistan to the whole of Afghanistan and southern Central Asia; and finally, in later times, over a vast area spread out at least as far west as western Iran and as far north as northern Central Asia and the northern Caucasus.

The early history of the Iranians may be divided into the following periods (see chart on next page).

The details may be examined under the following heads:

A. The Pre-Rigvedic Period.

B. The Early Period of the Rigveda.

C. The Middle period of the Rigveda.

D. The Late Period of the Rigveda.

 

Period	Rigveda	Avesta	Iranian Geographical Area
	Pre-Rigvedic Period	_________	Kashmir
Early Period of the Rigveda	Early Period of the Rigveda	Pre-Avestan Period	Punjab
Middle Period of the Rigveda	Middle Period of the Rigveda	Period of Gāthā and early Yašts	Punjab, Southern and Eastern Afghanistan
Late Period of the Rigveda	Late Period of the Rigveda	Proper Avestan Period	Punjab, Afghanistan, southern Central Asia

In the pre-Rigvedic period, the Iranians were inhabitants of Kashmir. In the Avesta, this period is remembered as a remote period of prehistory, enshrined in the myth of Airyana VaEjah, the land of severe winters.”

 

So it was the remote ancestors of Zarathushtra who lived in Kashmir. My claiming that “Zoroaster (the founder of Zoroastrianism) was born in kashmir” would be tantamount to a supporter of the AIT claiming that “Divodāsa and Sudās were born in the Steppes of Ukraine”!

In my books, I have repeatedly given detailed quotations from Avestan scholars like Gnoli to the effect that Zarathushtra lived in (and was probably “born” in) Southern Afghanistan.

I am a bit tired of people making up stories and attributing views and conclusions to me which I have not only never expressed or made but about which my actual views and conclusions recorded in writing in my books and articles are completely different from those that these people falsely or ignorantly attribute to me. For the objective reader, I can only repeat what I have already said many times: “Please do not accept that I have written something just because someone claims I have done so. Please refer to my actual books and articles to see what I have actually written”.

For a last laugh, apparently an illiterate internet clown (after consulting his mummy and daddy − or their google equivalents − whose views are the gospel truth for him) has replied to this as follows:

https://x.com/reticentdelhite

https://x.com/reticentdelhite/status/1981584752370200974

“Just googled him. The source isn't a historian.”

10:23 AM · Oct 24 2025

 

APPENDIX dated 10 November 2025:

After a comment to the above article, I realized that the above chart, from my book published in 2000, requires a restructuring based on the correction I have made in my blog articles correcting my earlier (in my books) wrong identification of the Sarayu as a western tributary of the Indus (on the basis of Bhargava’s 1956 book) , and accepting that it indeed refers to the Herat in Afghanistan. The chart should now be (with the whole of Afghanistan rather than only the southern and eastern part) :

 

Period	Rigveda	Avesta	Iranian Geographical Area
	Pre-Rigvedic Period	_________	Kashmir
Early Period of the Rigveda	Early Period of the Rigveda	Pre-Avestan Period	Punjab
Middle Period of the Rigveda	Middle Period of the Rigveda	Period of Gāthā and early Yašts	Punjab, Afghanistan
Late Period of the Rigveda	Late Period of the Rigveda	Proper Avestan Period	Punjab, Afghanistan, southern Central Asia

A Funny, if possibly Useful, Advertisement on Twitter (X)

 

A Funny, if possibly Useful, Advertisement on Twitter (X)

Shrikant G. Talageri

 

Someone just sent me the URL of an interesting advertisement of a vegetable-cutting machine uploaded as a tweet on “X”, which has garnered more than a million views:

https://x.com/CProductz/status/1975808230489227460

The product seems interesting. But what caught my attention was that for a few seconds, I thought it was Dhruv Rathee, not earning enough money (or as much money as he wants) on the products that he sells through his youtube channel, now taking up a new job as a salesman for kitchen gadgets.

Sorry: my mistake! I’m becoming old, you know! Such mistakes are bound to happen! And one tends to get easily amused at this age!

 

 

 

 

 

 

“Grok”s Brazen Lies About the State of the AIT-vs.-OIT Debate

 

“Grok”s Brazen Lies About the State of the AIT-vs.-OIT Debate

Shrikant G. Talageri 

 

Someone sent me the following tweet by the Twitter AI app “Grok:.

Apparently there was the following question put to “Grok”:

https://x.com/__Vyshak__

https://x.com/__Vyshak__/status/1976494435417620576

“Give an honest verdict on Talageri's 1993 study And a verdict on Yajnadevams and others who say Indus script from IVC is Sanskrit. Be brutally honest without any filters mercy and sugarcoating.”

9:16 AM · Oct 10, 2025

”Grok” immediately (note the time) replies:

“Talageri's 1993 "Aryan Invasion Theory: A Reappraisal" argues for Out of India origins of Indo-Aryans via Rigvedic analysis, but mainstream linguistics and genetics (e.g., studies in Cell, Nature) find it methodologically weak, ignoring migration evidence.”

9:16 AM · Oct 10, 2025

 

Can there be a more blatant lie than this? After correctly stating “Talageri's 1993 "Aryan Invasion Theory: A Reappraisal" argues for Out of India origins of Indo-Aryans via Rigvedic analysis” (though it misses out on all the linguistic evidence and the archaeological analysis given by me then and ever since, and my refutation of the “genetic” case), “Grok” brazenly lies when it says: “but mainstream linguistics and genetics (e.g., studies in Cell, Nature) find it methodologically weak, ignoring migration evidence.”

Do the referred “studies in Cell, Nature” even take note of my textual (let alone linguistic or archaeological) case for the OIT (or my refutation of the “genetics case”), or even mention my name? How the bloody hell then does “Grok’ brazenly state that these, or other similar “mainstream linguistics and genetics” studies, find my case “methodologically weak, ignoring migration evidence”? Clearly, these AI apps are brazenly fraudulent vehicles for western vested-interests to spread organized disinformation.

 

On the other hand, I have dealt in detail with these “mainstream linguistics and genetics” arguments point-by-point and in painstaking detail in my books and articles, and completely demolished them, about which “Grok” feigns complete ignorance. Just some example from my articles:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2020/07/the-full-out-of-india-case-in-short.html

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2021/09/the-complete-linguistic-case-for-out-of.html

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2025/01/witzel-and-ait-vs-oit-linguistic-debate.html 

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/01/ait-vs-oit-chapter-8-archaeological-case.html 

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2023/04/chapter-7-does-genetic-evidence-prove.html 

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2023/08/the-new-paper-by-heggarty-et-al-on.html 

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2025/02/the-battle-of-two-peer-reviewed.html

 

I know positively now that India, in a hundred years, will be an Islamic state with a sizable Christian minority and a slightly smaller Hindu minority (consisting of different caste groups fighting it out amongst themselves). But unless all my above articles are completely wiped out from all records and memory with Orwellian “1984”-like efficiency, the OIT will still prevail. Who knows: maybe Islamic India will be proud of being the Original Homeland of the IE languages (most of Indo-European Europe also having become Islamic by then)? After all, Pakistan does claim a history of 5000 years from the Harappan Civilization onwards: and the “Aryan” question is purely one of Language, not of Religion, Philosophy, Cosmology or Race! 

Liberalism and Tolerance? An Example of Deep Hindu Hatred

 

Liberalism and Tolerance? An Example of Pathological Hindu Hatred

Shrikant G. Talageri 

 

Someone sent me the following tweet, showing a group of picnicking youngsters sitting under a waterfall with their feet placed on the head of a mūrtī:

https://x.com/VigilntHindutva/status/1975832079494758505

“Women placing their feet on the goddess’s statue, utter disrespect. Guess what, They all are hindus.”

1:24 PM · Oct 8, 2025

 

Yes, this type of total indifference and disrespect towards Hindu sentiments and Hindu religious objects is becoming more and more common among Hindus, especially among sections of the younger generation, fondly referred to as “Gen Z”.

But leftist/liberal hatred for Hinduism is more active and vicious than this indifference and disrespect of youth. One person has given the following comment in reply to this tweet and video:

https://x.com/VikramGames

https://x.com/VikramGames/status/1975894056464154778

“Where else should they put their feet? Pair kaat ke aayein kya? Why are you so sensitive about these silly things?”

5:30 PM · Oct 8, 2025

One person replied to this comment as follows:

https://x.com/mom2910200/status/1975982647726964988

“U see it as a silly thing are u really a indian when they know the goddess has been placed they should have waterfall elsewhere why to keep feet on goddess head”

11:22 PM · Oct 8, 2025

The liberal Hindu-hater replies as follows:

“How does it matter? There are thousands of other important things we should be concerned about, not religion or faith.”

1:19 AM · Oct 9, 2025

 

And “guess what”, this Hindu-hater, who thinks no-one should feel such matters (as disrespect to a mūrtī) important enough to comment on,  himself finds the tweet (by the Hindu concerned about disrespect to a mūrtī) much more important than the “thousands of other important things we should be concerned about”: he takes the trouble of commenting on it and then continuing to argue about it, leaving aside his concern about all the “thousands of other important things we should be concerned about”. Apparently disrespect to a Hindu mūrtī does not “matter” at all, but a Hindu objecting to it “matters” very much, and requires him to don his battle gear to combat that Hindu!

 

Two thoughts came to my mind from this exchange:

1. Would this Hindu-hater also have taken the trouble to remind any person objecting to someone sitting with their feet on the religious book of Islam or Christianity, about the “thousands of other important things we should be concerned about”?

2. And, incredibly, this “liberal” person, on the personal level, is nothing less than a beggar. His Twitter i.d. begs for money from those who view his tweets: “Disabled gamer trying to make a living on X. Please support me @ paypal.me….”. Apparently, giving him financial help is one, and perhaps the most important one, of the “thousands of other important things we should be concerned about”!

This Hindu-hater, like all woke “liberal” people, has a very high hyper-inflated opinion of his own opinions, since his twitter i.d. goes on to claim that his tweets are “all for the greater good with everyone standing to benefit incrementally from my posts”!! With, of course, himself standing to benefit incrementally from all the money sent to him by other Hindu-hating “liberals” pleased with his venom!

He is not alone. Hindu society is full of millions of such people.

 

  

Israel, Palestinians and India: Some Thoughts to Ponder

 

Israel, Palestinians and India: Some Thoughts to Ponder

Shrikant G. Talageri 

 

It has become mandatory for all countries and peoples of the world, and all leftist Hindus, to shed crocodile tears over the “plight” of Palestinians. Eerily, increasing numbers of non-leftist Hindus (including even Hindus who are avowedly “Hindutva”-minded) also shed crocodile-tears for Palestinians and talk of the rights of Palestinians, in line with the guidelines of woke-dictated political-“correctness”-dogma. And the strange part of it is that these Hindus, without exhibiting even the slightest blush of shame, quote the woke spokespersons of the west as authorities on the Israel-Palestine issue – spokespersons who have never seen fit to comment on the ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Kashmir, Pakistan or Bangladesh, but who allege instead that Muslims are being targeted in India!

Hinduism is the native religion of India, and Islam the religion which was brought in and spread by the sword by invaders in circumstances (involving large scale massacres of millions of Hindus. destruction of lakhs of Hindu temples, and transportation of millions of Hindus to Islamic West Asia as slaves) recorded in pitiless detail by the Islamic invaders themselves. In 1947, India was divided, ostensibly between Hindus and Muslins, and Muslims were given an Islamic state (now broken up into two separate militant Islamic states where Hindus, when allowed to live, face massive discrimination and repression, and shrinking numbers) while Hindus were given a Hindu+Muslim+Christian state where every law and official/legal procedure is loaded against Hindus and favorable to the Muslim-Christian “minorities” (whose numbers are continuously on the rise).

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2023/09/a-short-review-of-anand-ranganathans.html

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2023/04/dismantling-global-hindutva.html 

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2023/09/is-indias-importance-in-world-on-rise.html 

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/10/why-is-hindutvavadi-bjp-more.html

 

And yet, the leftists and their sepoy echo-chambers (including many so-called “Hindutva-minded Hindus”) keep chanting the “Palestinians are oppressed” chant in ever increasingly loud and strident tones. The “Hindutva-minded Hindus” among them, of course, avoid stretching the rhetoric to cover “Muslims are oppressed in India”, but otherwise their voices chime in with those of the Breaking India Forces when it comes to Israel!

[The main psychology behind the anti-Israel, or ostensibly Palestinian-sympathetic attitude of these above “Hindutva-minded Hindus” is that age old one of scapegoats not liking to see other scapegoats getting out of the rut, or refusing to wallow in the rut as Hindus are doing: i.e. they resent the Israelis’ (or Zionist Jews’) refusal to submit passively to victimhood while at the same time having their tormentors branded as victims, as they (Hindus) themselves have always been doing.

There is a very misogynistic saying in Kannada that if a newly married bride (in the evil old days of shaven-headed widows) were to go to a widow for blessings, the (perhaps unspoken) blessing would be “nanna hāgē āgu magaḷē”: “become just like me, my child”. These particular "Hindutva-minded Hindus" would want the Zionist Jews of Israel to become just like the self-destructive, defeatist, suicide-minded Hindus, and to head passively and submissively towards their doom. That they refuse to do so, and strive to survive against the “Breaking Israel Forces”, makes these Hindus seethe inwardly, though most of them would refuse to recognize this].

The refrain of the world at the moment is: Palestinians are oppressed in Israel and Muslims are oppressed in India.           

Let us examine some of the facts in this case:

1. Do the figures of Muslim refugees in (for example) Europe, show that Palestinians are oppressed in Israel and Muslims are oppressed in India?

2. Do the population figures in India and Israel show that Palestinians are oppressed in Israel and Muslims are oppressed in India?

3. Who is oppressed and Where?

The questions below are mine, and the answers are by Google AI overview:

 

I. Do the figures of Muslim refugees in (for example) Europe, show that Palestinians are oppressed in Israel and Muslims are oppressed in India?

“Muslim Refugees in Europe by country of origin”:

Google AI overview: “Muslim refugees in Europe primarily come from Syria and Afghanistan, with significant numbers also originating from Iraq, Somalia, and various African countries like Egypt, Algeria, and Morocco. While Syrians were the largest group of unaccompanied minors seeking asylum in the EU in early 2024, other nationalities like Afghans, Egyptians, and Somalis were also prominent. Recent data shows that Germany hosts the largest number of refugees in Europe, with Syrians being the largest refugee group there at the end of 2022”

“How many Muslim refugees in Europe are from Israel?”

Google AI overview: “There are no available statistics for the number of "Muslim refugees in Europe from Israel" specifically because the term "refugee" typically refers to those fleeing persecution or conflict in their country of origin, and the vast majority of Muslim migrants from the Palestinian territories or other Arab nations have not originated from Israel. However, there are millions of Palestinian refugees, many of them Muslim, who have been displaced from their homes in the areas of historic Palestine…. In summary, there are no distinct statistics for "Muslim refugees from Israel" because the concept of "refugee" does not apply to the population of Israel itself. Instead, the relevant population would be the displacement and diaspora of the Palestinian people, a significant portion of whom are Muslim and have sought refuge in Europe and other countries.”

“How many Muslim refugees in Europe are from India?”

Google AI overview: “Several other countries, however, were the origin of more overall migrants to Europe. India, for example, was the second-biggest source of migrants to Europe (480,000) between mid-2010 and mid-2016; very few of these migrants came as refugees, and only an estimated 15% were Muslims.”

“How many Muslim refugees in Europe?”

Google AI overview: “There are not readily available precise, up-to-date figures for the total number of Muslim refugees in Europe, as data on religious affiliation among asylum seekers and refugees is complex and not consistently collected across countries. However, between mid-2014 and mid-2016, an estimated 980,000 Muslim refugees arrived in Europe, and by mid-2016, the Pew Research Center estimated that a total of 1.3 million Muslims had received, or were expected to receive, refugee status in Europe”

This is from 1914-1916 alone, and does not include immigrants who were not “refugees”.

 

II. Do the population figures in India and Israel show that Palestinians are oppressed in Israel and Muslims are oppressed in India?

“Percentage of Muslim citizens in Israel”

Google AI overview: “The Muslim population in Israel constitutes approximately 18% of the total population, numbering over 1.7 million people as of recent data from 2023-2024. Muslims are the largest religious minority in the country and include a significant portion of the population of Arab origin, who are citizens of Israel.”

[The Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank are not officially Israeli citizens like the 1.7 million Palestinians within the rest of Israel who are Israeli citizens. They are stateless. But unlike the millions of Muslims from Muslim countries who are spreading all over the world as persecuted refugees fleeing from oppression and persecution, neither the Palestinians citizens within Israel nor those within Gaza and the West Bank seem inclined to flee from “oppression and persecution”].

“Percentage of Hindus in Bangladesh in various censuses from 1951”

Google AI overview: “The Hindu population percentage in Bangladesh has shown a continuous decline since 1951. According to census data, the percentage was 22.0% in 1951, decreased to 18.5% in 1961, and further fell to 8.5% by the 2011 census. The overall trend shows a reduction from 22% in 1951 to approximately 8.5-8.9% in recent years.”

Population of Bangladesh: 17.36 crores

See the following scene in Bangladesh:

https://x.com/HinduVoice_in/status/1965688287131304129

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2024/08/indian-citizenship-for-bangladeshi.html

 

“Percentage of Muslims in India in various censuses from 1951”

Google AI overview: “The Muslim population in India has remained stable, increasing modestly from 9.8% in 1951 to 14.2% in 2011, according to the Pew Research Center. This reflects a broader trend where the share of Hindus in the population has slightly decreased while the share of Muslims has increased over the same period.”

But note: “increasing modestly”:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2024/05/the-revolutionary-new-mathematics.html

 

III. Who is oppressed and Where?

GenocideWatch on “genocide” of Muslims in India and Israel:

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/genocide-watch-expert-warns-of-genocide-of-muslims-in-india 

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/genocide-emergency-gaza-and-the-west-bank-2024

 

But on genocide of Hindus in Bangladesh, GenocideWatch says nothing about it, only talks about 1971 in religion-neutral terms:

https://www.genocidewatch.com/single-post/recognition-of-the-bangladesh-genocide-of-1971

 

And GenocideWatch on Kashmir:

Google AI overview: “Genocide Watch first issued a "Genocide Alert" for Indian-administered Kashmir in August 2019, following India's revocation of Article 370, which removed the region's special autonomous status. In a December 2020 "Genocide Warning" for India, the organization reiterated its concerns about the situation in Kashmir and nationwide anti-Muslim violence.”

Note; Kashmiri Hindus – the over five lakhs who were forced to flee from Kashmir, never to be allowed to return −  never even ever existed and therefore cannot possibly have ever been oppressed in any way, which is why they never figured in any descriptions of the situation in Kashmir at any point of time in the past or present or future, especially in the eyes of woke tools like GenocideWatch!!

 

And predictably, what is the “Hindutva” Indian government’s attitude towards the “Palestinians”?

Indian BJP government’s aid to Palestinians:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/indian-aid-for-palestine-close-to-record-80m-in-last-11-years-govt/articleshow/124222832.cms#:~:text=India%20has%20continued%20to%20extend,the%20agency%20since%202020%2D21.

And “Indian aid to Bangladesh Hindus”:

Google AI overview: “India's "aid" to Hindus in Bangladesh largely consists of diplomatic action and expressions of concern to the Bangladeshi government over targeted violence, rather than direct humanitarian assistance. India has a record of taking a "serious note" of violence against Hindus and has reiterated its concerns to the Bangladeshi government, especially during periods like the 2024 anti-Hindu violence and attacks on temples during the 2024 Durga Puja festival. While there's no specific program of aid for Bangladeshi Hindus, India's approach is through bilateral diplomatic engagement and monitoring the situation via its High Commission in Dhaka.”

Note: the word “aid” is put in inverted commas by the Google AI overview itself!

Do all the above facts and figures show that Palestinians are being oppressed in Israel and Muslims in India? Certainly the Muslim citizens of Israel and India seem to have no interest whatsoever in fleeing from Israel and India as refugees to escape their “oppression”.

And even the BJP and its so called “Hindutva” sepoys are not bothered about Hindus in Bangladesh.

 

In sum, let me explain why I wrote this article.

It is not to warn Hindus. Hindus are a people with a death-wish, and they will never wake up. India will be a Muslim state (with a large Christian minority and a slightly smaller Hindu one) within fifty years, or a century at the most. Thank God I will not be there to see it!

It is to warn Jews. Not the woke Jews or the Ultra-orthodox religious Jews, but the Jews who really care about the future of Jews: Do not take Hindus as your model!

[Ambedkar had tried to warn Hindus before 1947 and had urged the partition of India with a peaceful exchange of populations so that the Hindu-Muslim conflict within India would end forever. No-one listened to him: neither the Muslims, nor the British, nor the Congress, nor the Leftists, nor the RSS and Hindu Mahasabha!]

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2021/10/karna-and-yudhisthira-in-mahabharata.html

If you want to survive, or at least increase the probability of survival (in an increasingly anti-Jewish world), don’t care two figs for who says what about you: remain Jews and do not become suicide-prone imitation-Hindus. Do not depend on support from “Hindutvite” politicians and their bhakts: they do not bother to support Hindus, why will they bother to support Jews? You are on your own, so do not strive for good-conduct certificates from your enemies who want to destroy you. Do whatever you have to do to survive with a homeland “where the (your) mind is without fear, and the head held high” (as Tagore put it).