“Talageri Does Not Know Sanskrit” – A Hackneyed Issue Which Never Stales For Empty Brains

 

“Talageri Does Not Know Sanskrit” – A Hackneyed Issue Which Never Stales For Empty Brains

 Shrikant G. Talageri

 

Here I am back again with another reply to another illiterate clownish tweeter on “X/Twitter”: i.e. to one more of those jokers who adopt pompous titles for their twitter handles: this one combines three strong words: Deva, Raja and Indra, obviously under the impression that pompous titles serve as impenetrable disguises to hide empty and outdated brains.

I have just been sent the following tweet by this joker, who struts around under the name DevarajaIndra@DevarajaIndra:

“Then, Mr Bhaskar, you are quite severely underread. Griffith, Jones, Mueller, Jamison and even Witzel have done extremely comprehensive analysis.

Talageri, as per his own admission, doesn’t even know Sanskrit!!

11:24 AM · Nov 22, 2024”

 

This was apparently in reply to a tweet by another tweeter, who wrote as follows:

“Talageri's analysis is the most comprehensive, logical & rational analysis of Rig Veda. None of the AryaN Myth founders, promoters, supporters, have analyzed RV as Talageri has done.

11:20 AM · Nov 22, 2024”

 

I have been researching and writing on the Rigveda since over 30 years (my first book published in 1993), and my studies started even earlier. That some pipsqueak squeaking for attention thinks he can refer to what he calls my lack of knowledge of “Sanskrit”, speaks volumes for the presumptuous boldness which the pompousness of his adopted title seems to have given him.

To start with, about my “not knowing Sanskrit”: I have already written on the value of this half-witted and lame-brain “accusation” in many articles, notably even in the following full article:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2019/10/devdutt-pattanaik-on-speaking-sanskrit.html 

On specific issues regarding my analysis of the Rigveda, many twitter sepoys (conjoined twins to this pompous DevarajaIndra) have tried to claim that my analysis, where it differs sharply from the analyses of some or most of the western Indologists, is wrong because I “do not know Sanskrit” (apart, of course, from my being a “bank clerk”, and not my having had my papers “peer-reviewed” by my academic opponents in “academic journals” controlled by them), and have ended up with egg on their faces when I showed them how not only their second-hand knowledge of “Sanskrit” but even the “first-hand” knowledge of the western Indologists and scholars whom they quote and cite, stands exposed as shoddy and faulty:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2020/05/the-proto-indo-european-word-for.html

 

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/05/is-brbu-non-aryan-name-in-rigveda.html

 

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/08/kavi-cayamana-in-dasarajna-battle.html

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/10/the-prthu-parsu-in-dasarajna-hymn.html

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/09/vadhryasva-and-internet-clown.html

 

This is apart from my demonstration of the Indo-European origin of the common IE words for “elephant”, in many articles, starting with the one below:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2017/06/the-elephant-and-proto-indo-european.html

 

Apart from the fact that the Indologists worshipped by all these Indian sepoys failed to give the correct interpretations in each of the above cases where I got it right, here is my irrefutable indictment of the latest and most touted (even by Witzel) of these wrong-interpreting western “expert scholars”:

https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/05/an-incredibly-blatant-mistranslation-in.html

 

I simply do not understand how these Indian sepoys who are so completely ignorant of anything and everything, in spite of the pompous titles and attitudes they adopt, do not feel even a bit ashamed of their pathetic selves. Ultimately, for lack of any other explanation, I have to fall back on the favorite verdict/explanation of one of my aunts: “This is Kaliyug”.

APPENDIX added evening 22-11-2024:

should have stopped there, but I have now been sent another tweet by another conjoined twin blockhead of DevarajaIndra, named Prashant Natarajan (possibly another Dravidian language speaking Brahmin who identifies with what he considers to be his “Aryan invader ancestors”) apparently from the same twitter conversation, a vacant headed person who styles himself: Prashant Natarajan @AIML4Health. This idiot again shows the vacant-headedness of these Indian sepoys:

 

Talageri doesn’t have an amateur’s understanding of linguistics, let alone Sanskrit & Vedas. In this interview, he claims to have learned languages such as “African” and “Red Indian.” Enough said about his credentials. https://youtu.be/DKEpERD_U4I?feature=shared… (5:15 onwards)

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The Rigveda: Historical analysis with @sgtalageri | Out of India...

Today, we will discuss Shrikant Talageri’s book, “The Rigveda: Historical analysis”The Rigveda is the oldest and most

11:54 AM · Nov 22, 2024

 

This illiterate joker clearly does not have the intelligence of a cockroach, and interprets my words in the above video as meaning that I am claiming to have learned languages such as “African” and “Red Indian”, implying that I am so ignorant trhat I think there are two languages spoken in the world named “African” and “Red Indian” respectively!!

He gives two glaring examples of his stupidity here:

Firstly, I did not say I learnt two languages named African and Red Indian respectively: I clearly said that I learnt numbers 1-100 in over a hundred languages (including African and Red Indian=American Indian ones). This shows the utter inability of this clown to understand what is being said.

Secondly, he also demonstrates his illiteracy about my writings which he dares to presume to have the right to criticize. In my article “India's Unique Place in the World of Numbers and Numerals”, I have actually given a great number of examples of numbers 1-100 from these African and Red Indian languages. Long and boring though this is, let me repeat those examples here for the reader to understand the extent of this Prashant Natarajan’s illiteracy. I leave it to the readers to decide whose linguistic “credentials” are more genuine: mine or those of these twitter clowns:

 

I. AFRICAN LANGUAGES:

Masai (NiloSaharan/Sudanic:

1-9: nabu, ari, üni, ungwun, miet, elle, nabishäna, issiet, nawdu

10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60: tomon, tigitum, ossom, arrtam, orrnom, ïp

70, 80, 90, 100, 110: ïp-tomon, ïp-tigitum, ïp-ossom, ïp-arrtam, ïp-orrnom

Other numbers in between 10-60 are formed by the tens word followed by the following secondary forms of 1-9: obbo, are, ogüni, ungwun, oimiet, oīille, nabishäna, oissiet, nawdo

sexagesimals 60, 120, 180, 240, etc: ïp, ari-ïp, üni-ïp, ungwun-ïp, etc. (60, 2x60, 3x60, 4x60, etc.)  

Other numbers above 60: sexagesimal (60, 120, etc) followed by 1-59. Thus:

11: tomon-obbo (10+1), 99: ïp ossom-nawdo (60+30+9), 179: ari-ïp orrnom-nawdo (60x2+50+9).

 

Mende (NigerCongo):

1-10: yira, fere, sawa, nani, lolu, woita, wofela, wayakpa, tau, pu

11-19: pu-mahũ-yira (10+mahũ+1) etc.

20, 40, 60, 80, 100: nu-yira-gboyongo, nu-fere-gboyongo, nu-sawa-gboyongo, nu-nani-gboyongo, nu-lolu-gboyongo

Other numbers: vigesimal + 1-19. Thus:

21: nu-yira-gboyongo mahũ yira (20+mahũ+1), 99: nu-nani-gboyongo mahũ pu-mahũ-tau (80+mahũ+19).

 

Hausa (SemitoHamitic-Hamitic):

1-10: daia, biu, uku, fudu, biar, shidda, bakoi, takos, tara, goma

tens 20-90: gomia-biu, etc.          100: dari

Other numbers: 11-17, etc.: tens+sha+unit. Thus 11: goma sha daia,  21: gomia-biu sha daia

18-19: following tens+gaira+biu/daia (i.e. following tens-minus-2/1). Thus:

18: gomia-biu gaira biu (20-minus-2),  99: dari gaira daia (100-minus-1).

 

Wolof (NigerCongo):

1-10: ben, nīar, nīat, nīanit, jiūrum, jiūrumrumben, jiūrum-nīar, jiūrum-nīat, jiūrum-nīanit, fūk

tens 20-90: nīar-fūk, etc.          100: tēmēr

Other numbers: tens+a+unit. Thus 11: fūk a ben,  21: nīar-fūk a ben,  99: jiūrum-nīanit-fūk a jiūrum-nīanit

 

Fulani (NigerCongo):

1-10: goo, zizi, tati, nayi, joyi, jeegom, jeezizi, jetati, jenayi, sappo

20: noogas,     tens 30-90: capanze-tati, etc.          100: temedere

Other numbers: tens+e+unit.

Thus 11: sappo e goo,  21: noogas e goo,  99: capanze-jenayi e jenayi

 

Namagua-Hottentot (Khoisan):

1-10: ckui, ckam, qnona, haka, kore, qnani, hû, xkhaisi, goisi, disi

tens 20-100: ckam-disi, etc.          [even 100: disi-disi]

Other numbers: tens+unit+ckha.

Thus: 11: disi ckui-ckha,  21: ckam-disi ckui-ckha,  99: goisi-disi goisi-ckha

[the four letters c, v, q, and x represent four different types of clicking sounds. Clicking sounds as part of the language are unique in the whole world to the Khoisan languages, though some non-Khoisan neighboring languages like Zulu have also borrowed this feature from them]

 

Swahili (NigerCongo):

1-9: mosi, pili, tatu, 'nne, tano, sita, saba, nane, kenda

Tens 10-100: kumi, makumi-mawili, makumi-matatu, makumi-ma'nne, makumi-matano, makumi-sita, makumi-saba, makumi-manane, makumi-kenda, mia

(The word for 100 is borrowed from Arabic)

Other numbers:  tens+na+unit 1-9 [Here, 1 and 2 have special forms: moja, mbili], e.g. 11 is kumi na moja (10+na+1).

 

Kanuri (NiloSaharan/Sudanic):

1-10: tilo, ndi, yasgә, degә, ugu, arasgә, tulur, wusgә, lәgar, megu

tens 20-90: pindi, piyasgә, pidegә, piugu, pirasgә, pitulur, pitusgu, pilәgar

11-19: lәgari, nduri, yasgәn, deri, uri, arasgәn, tulurri, wusgәn, lәgarri

Other numbers: tens+unit, or tens+tata+unit [units ending in vowels add a -n, and units ending in consonants add a -nyin in the compound words].

Thus: 21: pindi tata tilon,  99: pilәgar tata lәgarnyin

 

II. AMERINDIAN LANGUAGES:

Nahuatl/Aztec (Amerindian):

1-5: ce, ome, yey, naui, macuilli

6-10: chica-ce, chic-ome, chicu-ey, chic-naui, matlactli

11-15: matlactli-on-ce, matlactli-on-ome, matlactli-on-yey, matlactli-on-naui, caxtulli

16-19: caxtulli-on-ce, caxtulli-on-ome, caxtulli-on-yey, caxtulli-on-naui

20, 40, 60, 80, 100:  cem-poualli, ome-poualli, yey-poualli, naui-poualli, macuil-poualli

Other numbers: vigesimal numbers followed by (the word) on and the numbers 1-19. Thus:

21: cem-poualli on ce (20+on+1), and 99:  naui-poualli on caxtulli-on-naui (80+on+19).

[on-ce can be shortened to oce].

 

Yucatec/Mayan (Amerindian):

1-10: hun, ca, ox, can, ho, uac, uc, uaxac, bolon, lahun

11-19: buluc, lahca, ox-lahun, can-lahun, ho-lahun, uac-lahun, uuc-lahun, uaxac-lahun, bolon-lahun

20, 40, 60, 80, 100: kal/hun-kal, ca-kal, ox-kal, can-kal, ho-kal

30, 50, 70, 90: lahu-ca-kal, lahu-ox-kal, lahu-cankal, lahu-hokal (10 less than 40, etc.).

Other numbers:

21-39 (except 30): 1-19 + tu kal. Thus: 21 is hun tu kal (1+tu+20).

Other numbers (after 40, except the actual non-vigesimal tens numbers 50, 70, 90, etc., where the word tu is dropped): 1-19 + tu and the following vigesimal. Thus:

41: hun tu ox-kal (1 below 60), 99: bolon-lahun tu ho-kal (19 below 100).

[Some additional, but not necessary, euphonic variations in speech are:

a) 15, ho-lahun, is sometimes contracted to ho-lhun

b) a y is sometimes inserted between a word ending in u and a following ox or ho. Thus: lahu-oxkal and lahu-hokal (50 and 90) become lahu-y-oxkal and lahu-y-hokal, and similarly hun tu ox-kal, 41, becomes hun tu y-ox-kal]

c) l of lahun is dropped before tu. Thus bolon-lahun tu kal, 39, becomes bolon-lahu tu kal]

[Note: This is important since the Mayans were the only people to invent a vigesimal numeral system. Hence also, perhaps, the system of forming the other numbers (21-99) is slightly less regular or more complicated (but still explicable by certain rules]

[Note: the x is pronounced "sh" and the c as well as k as "k"].

 

Yupik (EskimoAleut):

1-10: atauciq, malruk, pingayun, cetaman, talliman, arving-legen, malrung-legen, pingayun-legen, qulngunritaraan, qula.

11-19: qula-atauciq, qula-malruk, qula-pingayun, akimiarunrita'ar, akimiaq, akimiaq-ataucik, akimiaq-malruk, akimiaq-pingayun, yuinaunrita'ar

vigesimals 20, 40, 60, 80, 100: yuinaq, yuinaak-malruk, yuinaat-pingayun, yuinaat-cetaman, yuinaat-talliman

Other numbers: vigesimal + 1-19. Thus:

21: yuinaq atauciq,  99: yuinaat-cetaman yuinaunrita'ar

 

Quechua/Inca (Amerindian):

1-10: huk, iskay, kimsa, tawa, pisqa, suqta, qanchis, pusaq, iskun, chunka 

tens 20-90: iskay-chunka, etc.  100: pachak

Other numbers: tens+unit+yuq/niyuq [-yuq after vowel,-niyuq after consonant. final y in 2 is consonant]. Thus:

11: chunka-huk-niyuq, 13: chunka kimsa-yuq, 99: iskun-chunka iskun-niyuq

 

Guarani  (Amerindian):

1-10: peteĩ, mokoĩ, mbohapy, irundy, po, poteĩ, pokoĩ, poapy, porundy, pa

tens 20-90: mokoĩ-pa, etc.          100: sa

Other numbers: tens+unit. Thus 11: pa peteĩ,  21: mokoĩ-pa peteĩ,  99: porundy-pa porundy

 

Tarahumara (Amerindian):

1-10: bire, oka, beka, nawo, mari, usani, kichao, osanawo, kimakoi, makoi

tens 20-90: oka-makoi, etc.          100: makoi-makoi

Other numbers: tens+wamina+unit. Thus:

11: makoi wamina bire,  21: oka-makoi wamina bire,  99: kimakoi-makoi wamina kimakoi

 

Tonkawa (Amerindian):

1-10: wē'isbax, gedai, med'is, sigid, gasgwa, sikwālau, sigidyē'es, sikwē'isxw'ēl'a, sikbax

tens 20-90: sikbax-'āla-gedai, etc.          100: sendo-wē'isbax (borrowed from Spanish)

Other numbers: tens+'en+unit+'en.    Thus 11: sikbax-'en wē'isbax-'en,

21: sikbax-'āla-gedai-'en wē'isbax-'en,  99: sikbax-'āla-sikwē'isxw'ēl'a-'en sikwē'isxw'ēl'a-'en      

 

Zuñi (Amerindian):

1-10: t'opa, kwili, ha'i, awiten, apte, t'opaleqä, kwilileqä, ha'eleqä, tenaleqä, astemła

tens 20-90: kwili-qän-astemła, etc.          100: asi-astemlä

Other numbers: tens+unit+yäłto.  Thus 11: astemła t'opa-yäłto,  21: kwili-qän-astemła t'opa- yäłto,  99: tenaleqä-qän-astemła tenaleqä-yäłto

 

Sahaptin (Amerindian):

1-10: naxc, nipt, mәtad, pinipt, paxad, ptәxninc, tusxas, paxatumad, t'smәst, putәmd

tens 20-100: nibtid, mәtabtid, pinibtid, paxabtid, ptәxninseibtid, tusxaseibtid, paxatumadeibtid, tsmaseibtid, naxcputabdid

Other numbers: tens+unit or tens+wiya+unit. Thus:

11: putәmd wiya naxc,  21: nibtid wiya naxc,  99: tsmaseibtid wiya t'smәst

 

Navaho (Amerindian):

1-10: dałai, nak'i, txā, dī, ashdla, hastxá, tsosts'ed, tsebi, naast'ai, naezná

11-19: ładzáda, nak'idzada, txádzáda, didzáda, ashdlaáda, xastxaáda, tsosts'edzáda, tsebidzáda, naas'aidzáda

tens 20-100: nadīn, txadīn, dísdīn, ashdládīn, hastą́dīn, tsosts'idīn, tseebídīn, náhást'édīn, naennádīn

Other numbers: tens+ła+unit. Thus 21: nadīn ła dałai,  99: náhást'édīn ła naezná