Must Internet AIT Supporters
Continue to Sink Lower and Lower in Level of Illiteracy and Stupidity?
Shrikant G. Talageri
Someone just sent me a couple of tweets pertaining to my presentation of the Mitanni evidence for dating the Rigveda. I give this as a representative sample of how the Internet and Twitter have enabled the most illiterate, ignorant and stupid of people to emblazon forth their pompous opinions on matters they know absolutely nothing about without any inhibitions.
One person had posted the following tweet:
If that was the case then it would mean that
mitanni Indo Aryan culture is pre Rgvedic. But it isn't. The cultural overlap
with mitannis is exclusively found only in Newer mandalas of Rgveda Older
mandals have totally different culture Evidence is totally unambiguous &
clear
In reply to it comes this piece of wisdom from the AIT sepoy dumbo:
That's mostly nonsense cooked by Talageri (I
mean no disrespect to the guy but it IS nonsense). Mandala VIII just happens
have the most names there are in Rigveda, due to its danastutis. Nor is it the
scholarly consensus that it is "late" - only that it was collected
late.
To post anything on Twitter, you don’t have to know even the a b c of the subject on which you are posting. This clown, who acts as if he knows all about Mandala VIII of the Rigveda, and the “scholarly consensus” on every issue connected with the same, does not seem to have the slightest idea that Mandala VIII, like all the other New Mandalas (I, V, IX, X) has a totally different new vocabulary different from the Old Mandalas (VI, III, VII, IV, II) – and not just “danastutis”:
https://talageri.blogspot.com/2022/08/final-version-of-chronological-gulf.html
The sweep of new words, new meters and new composer names in all the five New Mandalas (not just in Mandala VIII) stands in sharp contrast to the five Old Mandalas:
1. Old Rigveda Books 2,3,4,6,7: 0/280 Hymns, 0/2368 verses, 0 words. +0 C + 0 M.
2. Redacted Hymns in Old Books 2,3,4,6,7: 61/62 Hymns, 470/873 verses, 724 words. +1 C + 6 M.
3. New Rigveda Books 1,5,8,9,10: 684/686 Hymns, 4256/7311 verses, 6828 words. +300 C + 96 M.
And the Mitanni-related names and name-types are found in all the five New Mandalas (not just in Mandala VIII):
The prominent personal names and name types in the Mitanni data which are found in the Rigveda are names with the following elements:
-aśva, -ratha,
-atithi, -sena, -bandhu, -uta, -medha, vasu-,
ṛta-, priya-.
The personal names with these elements are found in the Rigveda as follows:
Names of Composers of the hymns (89 hymns):
V. 3-6, 24-26, 47, 52-61, 81-82 (20 hymns).
I. 12-23, 100 (13 hymns).
VIII. 1-5, 23-26, 32-38, 46, 68-69, 87, 89-90, 98-99 (24 hymns).
IX.
2, 27-29, 32, 41-43, 97 (9 hymns).
X.
20-29, 37, 57-60, 65-66, 75, 102-103, 132, 134, 179 (23 hymns).
Names in References
(in 82 verses):
IV.30.18 (1 redacted verse)
V. 27.4-6; 33.9; 36.6; 52.1; 61.5,10; 79.2; 81.5 (10 verses)
I.
36.10,11,17-18; 45.3-4; 100.16-17; 112.10,15,20; 116.6,16;
117.17-18; 122.7,13; 139.9 (18 verses)
VIII.
1.30,32; 2.37,40; 3.16; 4.20; 5.25; 6.45;
8.18,20; 9.10; 23.16,23-24; 24.14,22-23,28-29; 26.9,11;
32.30; 33.4; 34.16; 35.19-21; 36.7; 37.7;
38.8; 46.21,23; 49.9; 51.1; 68.15-16; 69.8,18;
87.3 (39 verses)
IX.
43.3; 65.7 (2 verses)
X.
33.7; 49.6; 59.8; 60.7,10; 61.26; 73.11;
80.3; 98.5-6,8; 132.7 (12 verses)
It will be seen that all these personal names
are totally missing in the Old Rigveda, and are found exclusively
in the New Rigveda and (in a single redacted verse) in a Redacted Hymn.
This illiterate person may not mean disrespect to me, but,
sad to say, I do mean disrespect to him. Illiterates posing as experts
are pathetic. And there is nothing even unique about him: he is one among a large
crowd of such self-exposing illiterates.
Sir, I agree with your analysis that the new rigveda was composed in the mature Harappan period. However, one important dilemma that needs to be addressed is why there are so few place names in the rigveda. The IVC had more than 1000 sites and yet there are hardly 3-4 place names in the rigveda. I think the lack of place names in the rigveda is the reason that many indologists identified rigvedic society as pastoralist and semi nomadic
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